What does it mean to live as a woman for a year?

I would also very much like to know what joolz did to meet this requirement.

Me too. And of course, it will be 1950s, regressive stereotypes.

So it's amazing how Joolz thinks we all think this is funny. Or we are misunderstanding. Or the outrage is pretend.

One thing I can absolutely guarantee is that Joolz will be singularly unable to claim we have misunderstood, once they have explained how they 'lived as a woman'.

Not holding my breath, tbh.

As I understand the way this came about, it was really a medical or more properly psychological thing, so the idea of it being hard and fast or testable probably didn't enter into it much. It was a way to see if the patient would really benefit in terms of mental health and ability to cope by presenting as a woman all the time, and if there was a real commitment to doing so as well I imagine. Both for the doctor to see how it went and for the patient, before going on to take more radial steps.

I daresay that "presenting as a woman" would depend somewhat on the patient and the nature of his sex dysphoria, but it would probably have to include stuff like social presentation because that would be potentially something where the patient might imagine as a lot better than what the reality proved to be.

None of it really makes sense IMO unless it's a part of the assessment of the individual and the doctor, from a medical perspective, with the goal of alleviating severe psychological stress.

I would also very much like to know what joolz did to meet this requirement. It's obviously not about menstruating, being pregnant and breastfeeding, which are the only things that truly distinguish women's lives from men's - well, apart from being at greater risk of sexual harassment and assault.

If it's about wearing feminine clothes, hairstyles and makeup then it's about reinforcing sexist stereotypes and should be done away with. I would do away with the GRA altogether but if we're stuck with it, let there be a long waiting period that is about proper gatekeeping and making sure that that it's the right decision for that individual.

What is that person meant to do?

Dress and present as they like. Get whatever cosmetic procedures they want. Nothing to do with women.

Is there an intermediate stage where it's a chromosome not currently known to science?

"You do need medical reports as well."

Does that show the gradual change of the Y chromosome to become an X chromosome?

I believe many trans people would say that's exactly it Jax.

I hadn't really thought about it tbh, but it is rather important as it implies there is protocol for 'living as a woman' i.e. confirming to a gender stereotype.

Perhaps this explains why so many transwomen appear to have long hair, 'feminine' names and wear makeup and dresses/skirts? In other words, they feel obliged to present a rather narrow view of 'woman'.

The whole world is being held in thrall to the comically sexist ideas of "woman" that a bunch of doctors came up with back in the 60s or 70s. Yes, this occasionally inconveniences those wishing to transition, but perhaps they could spare some thought for what it's doing to the rest of us to.

The GRA is nonsense and has outlived the reason it was enacted in the first place.

The only path is to repeal the GRA.

Gender reassignment in the EA, in relation to goods and services and employment, would allow people who identify as trans to be rightly protected from being discriminated against in these areas.

And single sex exemptions, based on biological sex would endure single sex spaces are reserved for women.

Calling someone a psycho therapist makes it sound like you're alleging that they're suffering from psychosis.

But it had to be done ... not for the Doctors, nor the Gender Recognition Panel, nor the Gender Clinic I was attending at the time, nor the psycho therapist or anyone else you could think of

Thanks for letting us know.

This thread, however, is about the requirements for the gender recognition panel. Which basically comprise changing your name on your gas bill. Talking about gas bills isn't humorous - in bad taste or not. It's a plain statement of fact.

It means nothing. Or anything the person saying they're doing it says that it means. Mostly it means contacting your gas company and asking them to change your billing information. Which is definitely what we should be basing who has access to women's shelters and who gets to give us a smear test on!

Great posts Red and Nonny.

back to the jokes

I haven't read any jokes on here, what are you talking about?

dressed in jeans and T-shirt and Doc Martens and sported a short haircut and didn't wear any makeup
Oh no, I'm a pretend woman!

Nowt faux about my outrage at having my sex appropriated and stereotyped because of someone else's MH issue I can assure you.

*post - not thread

Sorry joolz hadn't seen your thread when I posted, so my post isn't in response to yours.

I know trans women who say they are "read" differently (when out and about) as women. That would be interesting to compare. The thing is unless they pass well, are they being read as a woman or as trans?
To me, being "read" as a woman would seem to be the aim of "living as a woman" but when you unpack what that means it's incredibly unfair to people that will never pass, and relies entirely on appearance and reinforcing sexist stereotypes. Plus it depends on others' perceptions which one has little control over.

Can we look at this another way. Do you think you would be doing anything different today if you were a man not a woman ( or vice versa as appropriate )

Of those different things, if you can identify any ( I can't )

...are any not directly related to biology?
.. are any not directly related to a sterotype

While I would that agree more women than men work long hours in retail, I wouldn’t count that as ‘living as a woman’. The only way you can live as a woman is to be conceived female, grown up as a girl and then be an adult human female.

Joolz womanhood is not a joke, a fetish, a stereotype, dresses, make up, long hair, heels, specific names on a utility bill, a feeling, walking in through the door labelled ‘female’, or some kind of magical essence!

joolz as others have said, it's not not a joke, try asking women athletes who have trained for years if they find it funny when an athlete who couldn't hack it one way sails past them to the finish line by utilising their superior lung capacity and muscle size .