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Twitter thread from Joani Walsh re Trans hospital guidance

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PlayYouLikeAShark · 07/12/2019 17:34

https://threadreaders.com/thread/1203351253318852609

They've apologised, withdrawn the guidance but still won't do anything to tackle the need for female only HCP when they're prevented from doing this due to the right to privacy a GRC grants to a TW. Women's right to privacy & informed consent seems to be an inconvenience.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 08/12/2019 02:58

Sorry, x post. I can't believe I faft about for 10 minutes before posting .

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 08/12/2019 02:56

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patient-branded-transphobic-after-asking-for-female-medic-3jh3snddt

It's more than a pity that Joani Walsh didn't get the credit for all her hard work on this.

WootMoggie · 08/12/2019 02:46

This has now appeared as a Times article, but I don't have share tokening ability I'm afraid.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/patient-branded-transphobic-after-asking-for-female-medic-3jh3snddt

Lumene · 07/12/2019 22:55

Additionally, we have a duty to apply the same principles here as we would if a patient requested clinicians from particular backgrounds/ethnicities or any of the nine characteristics protected by law."

Bollocks. We have single SEX wards for example for good reason in the NHS. Not single religion or single race wards, which is a totally different thing and neither required nor provided.

GetbusywiththeFizzee · 07/12/2019 22:23

Well that was unpleasant reading, the hatred and contempt of women leapt off the page.
Who on earth have they let loose at BSUH to suggest that the organisation has ‘no wish’ to support women’s rights to safety and dignity whilst under their care? Instead, they proudly prioritise the rights of staff to express and live as any gender identity on a daily basis.
An organisation that openly states such dangerous views is not fit for purpose- unless you’re a certain kind of man, in which case it’s 🎉🎊🥳

BarbaraStrozzi · 07/12/2019 22:19

Brighton and Sussex trust can fuck right off.

How dare they compare a rape survivor requesting a biologically female practitioner to a racist requesting a particular race?

Just FUCK THE FUCK OFF YOU WANKERS.

Uncompromisingwoman · 07/12/2019 18:51

It's frightening to know that there are people working in the NHS with such a lack of respect for boundaries and the rights of women to decide who touches them in intimate examinations. Presumably they're the same type of people as this 'doctor' :

twitter.com/DoctorChristian/status/1203041410313850880

popehilarious · 07/12/2019 18:27

She has an MBE for service to the LGBT community.
Not good enough, apparently.

I'm appalled
Every time I'm reminded about the ability to change sex on a birth certificate I'm further appalled and feel like I'm going mad. Most people surely don't know about this?

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/12/2019 18:24

Plus basic outcome: this will exclude some female people from receiving medical care.

If we're going to balance 'discrimination' then put on the scale 'said no to me performing a specific intimate procedure because wouldn't recognise my personal sense of self and chosen gender when I wanted them to' against 'denied life saving medical care as a punishment for refusing to comply with a political belief'. FFS, a child could see it.

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/12/2019 18:21

Additionally, we have a duty to apply the same principles here as we would if a patient requested clinicians from particular backgrounds/ethnicities or any of the nine characteristics protected by law."

Bollocks. Ridiculous argument. It is not normal to segregate or provide separate services by race, sexuality, religion etc. It IS not only normal but compulsory in the NHS to do this by sex.

Males do not become females because of their personal gender choices: not everyone is prepared to go along with this and people cannot be forced to participate in a belief they don't hold. (Please Harry and Maya's judges, produce this in writing.)

This is creating a hierarchy of equality where trans people's rights and privacy trumps female people's rights and privacy.

Basic battle there has always been - can males always be treated as female if they want to be, in every situation, without boundaries of any kind, regardless of the negative impact on others? Common sense has to say no, because other people have rights too.

LangCleg · 07/12/2019 18:01

In a statement the trust said: "We are very sorry for any offence or upset caused by the inclusion of these letters in our equality and diversity guidance and have now removed them.

"Patient care is always our top priority and we recognise that for some patients having clinicians of the same gender is important, particularly if an intimate procedure is required.

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

We want to be able to mandate clinicians of the same SEX.

I don't actually care on a personal level but I'm a gobshite with no fucks left to give about being a pain in the arse and I shall be requiring, in writing like Clare, a same sex clinician for all intimate procedures going forward.

AnyOldPrion · 07/12/2019 17:58

Worse than that, MrsSnippy, they confirm once again that they put the feelings of staff above the needs of the patient and imply that anyone asking for a medic of a specific sex is equivalent to a racist.

We recognise our employees by the gender they identify as on a daily basis as it is essential that we respect the gender identity of all our staff.
"Additionally, we have a duty to apply the same principles here as we would if a patient requested clinicians from particular backgrounds/ethnicities or any of the nine characteristics protected by law."

MrsSnippyPants · 07/12/2019 17:52

Was just coming here to see if anyone had posted this. Utterly appalling behaviour by the trust and their apology is bollocks too

"we recognise that for some patients having clinicians of the same gender is important, particularly if an intimate procedure is required."

SEX! Idiots.

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