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Article about 'non binary'

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NeurotrashWarrior · 07/12/2019 10:50

This is doing the rounds and an old school fronds has posted it claiming to be a lesson in kindness.

I just find the gaslighting mind boggling.

Girls are the victims of a society that makes being a female both dangerous, shameful and objects. I'm not surprised that when breasts start to grow they feel so uneasy.

Why can't people see that the default to masculinity is as bad as gender stereotyping?

As an aside, does anyone happen to know if these particular binders are "better?"

www.boredpanda.com/non-binary-model-changes-parent-view-rain-dove/

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AGH1947 · 07/12/2019 11:44

The chat dose seem like advertising, the questions seem planned with how the women suddenly starts asking about the protect after being so against it! Surly no one changes there mind that quick.

Forgotthebins · 07/12/2019 11:39

Dove said they changed the mother's picture for anonymity but who knows. Maybe it's fictional to create a chance to advertise the company that makes the binders, perhaps for a commission. A company which wouldn't have a business if there weren't toxic attitudes to women's bodies around.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 07/12/2019 11:38

Some of her instagram is really thought provoking, especially how the public react to her dressed as a 'man' or a 'woman.'

She's androgenous and so her experience through life will have led to to a unique view point.

A piece about using the "right" bathroom indicates she knows exactly her sex.

But that article is about a child wanting to be a boy, which is very different.

No idea about the piers penguin video. Confused

As the "my body is me" book illustrates, clothes are costume only and stereotypes are harmful.

Dove's work expresses this but the ideology she's attached is very different.

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TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 11:35

Please book me a spot in the front row
Grin

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NeurotrashWarrior · 07/12/2019 11:32

Thank you for coming to my TED talk!

Please book me a spot in the front row!

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TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 11:28

Plus how is it that non binary means WAG harm their bodies and default to Male whereas men and boys just play with dresses and lipstick?

I often wonder how the trans activists would react if young girls started deciding to bind their feet. Presumably this would be OK too and parents should just make sure they have a walking stick so they can get around? And we'd all be encouraged to celebrate their authentic small footed, hobbling identity?

TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 11:25

Somebody said the photo of the mother is a stock picture.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 07/12/2019 11:22

Excellent post tinsel.

So it's possible it's a lie?

The thing is that Dove clearly plays with gender in a similar way to Cindy Sherman.

That's art, not reality.

She won't bind daily, I'm sure, either.

Plus how is it that non binary means WAG harm their bodies and default to Male whereas men and boys just play with dresses and lipstick?

And then how is this 'non binary' when it's just about swapping the stereotyped clothes of the opposite sex? (Except it's not just for girls, it's self harm.)

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TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 11:14

Thank you for coming to my TED talk!

TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 11:14

Even if it was safe, which clearly it can't be, the acceptance that many have that young girls will hate their bodies so much that binding is inevitable and the only thing to be done is to encourage them to bind safely, is profoundly depressing.

To then frame the shame and fear a that these girls have about their developing bodies as somehow a positive thing, or a developing non binary identity is political double think of the highest order.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the individualism of trans ideology. What happened to young people wanting to change the world? Now they only seem to want to change themselves.

Forgotthebins · 07/12/2019 11:12

And SO quick with the "give your child a binder or they will DIE" blackmail. Horrendous person, encouraging the physical damaging of children with the softly softly language. Reminds me of Mrs Coulter and her golden monkey in Northern Lights.

AGH1947 · 07/12/2019 11:00

There is no type of binding that is considered safe , but there are companies that focus on trying to make them safe , so tape and bandages are not used.

TinselAngel · 07/12/2019 10:56

I read this and felt exactly the same. How easily a concerned parent can be painted as a "bigot", and the gaslighting that binding is safe made me feel ill.

I understand there's some doubt as to whether it's real. I'd be interested to see proof of that if anyone has any.

AGH1947 · 07/12/2019 10:56

Those binders that are mentioned in the article are considered a lot safer then the ones that are sold on amazon and eBay.

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