Janice Turner thanks the LibDems

This Tom Harwood, Swedish?

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/01/tom-harwood-the-threat-to-free-speech-at-universities-is-not-a-myth.html

So a raving fucking hypocrite as well as a misogynist. Nice.

I started a thread with a share token. There if anyone wants it.

Here's Tom Harwood, one of the Tory activists they use to try to get the youth vote, calling Emily Maitlis a terf.

This article needs it’s own thread l don’t have a share token so l can’t start it , but this would have a wide appeal on Mumsnet.

Thread, didn't know it was linked here. Also didn't have share token so clumsy start!

Puberty-blocker drug firm donated cash to Lib Dem's: The Times http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3762900-puberty-blocker-drug-firm-donated-cash-to-lib-dem-s-the-times

May I quote a comment by David from the article..

"For my money the Lib Dems are by far the least objectionable of the mainstream parties at present, but this section of their manifesto troubled me from the moment I read it".

I mentioned the 'there will always be loopholes' line to our local Lib Dem activist. She'd not noticed self ID being smuggled in and looked appalled.

This article needs it’s own thread l don’t have a share token so l can’t start it , but this would have a wide appeal on Mumsnet.

Not a grassroots change but a power shift from the top, in secret and away from public scrutiny.

The shift away from organised religion in the West is being replaced by an ethical rule book written by the secret sect of woke.

The Beaumont Society et al would have been very adept at keeping things quiet. The problem of male homosexuality being against the law was a strong motivation to attract people who could help change laws.

Different times back then.

Social media has allowed groups to rapidly establish global connections with the similar motivations.

Their confidence has brought them out into the open.
This is good.

We mustn't let them change laws.

It's interesting to read all these stories of Liberal Democrat candidates who don't know that this policy is in their manifesto. I suppose this is part of the Dentons strategy of smuggling gender self-ID policy in under the radar.

Because when you think about this properly, it's astonishing. They're proposing to make a legislative change that will, in one step, change the definitions of "man" and "woman" that have been commonly understood for thousands of years. It will remove the government's ability to accurately record sex-based data, and eliminate women's long-held right to women-only refuges, hospital wards, prisons and sports. It's a HUGE change in the law. And yet they and the TRAs are trying to pass it off as a minor administrative change.

Wow fab article! So not tin hat propaganda afterall...

Yes, the first time I heard that line 'oh, but men will always rape women!' after I pointed out the safeguarding issues with self-ID, I knew that this was a deeply misogynistic ideology. What baffles me is that so many women don't seem to get this. A woman said this to me. So sad.

Oh and fab article

Michelleoftheresistance
Every time I ask that question (How many women and girls are an acceptable loss before I'm allowed to even discuss this?) I get the same response. They ignore and switch back to the 'Most oppressed, be nice' line. When I say I'd like to be nice to the women and girls they're happy to offer as sacrificial lambs, they tend to retire to a fainting couch with a last 'niiiiice' escaping their pale lips...*

*I Do love a bit of poetic melodrama.

Two comments

1. how is the X on a passport gonna work? (I appreciate thats a question) It ma6 be fine in this country but what if you go to a less woke country...is there a danger you wont be let in because they dont want any Xs in their country

2. after the 2017 election the main parties said that 80% of voters voted for leave parties and therefore wanted leave. I’ll put money on the same thing happening for self ID...any vote for labour lib dem and green will be taken as a vote for self id

I am voting whatever dd decides, she is so close to be able to vote and i dont really want to vote for anyone

The firm, owned by the Swedish billionaire Frederik Paulsen, markets the drug triptorelin, which is used to block puberty among adolescents.

All kudos to The Times for reporting this. Perhaps the media’s long Rip Van Winkle phase is over. The more coverage this gets, the better

Bloody hell. Not a mad conspiracy theory then? The Times will have fact checked this very carefully, I assume.

Bloody hell!

Those poor children becoming subjects in a bizarre experiment backed by the supposedly cuddly Lib Dem Party.

Not sure if this has been posted already but The Times have a new article up now on the donation from the puberty blocker pharma companies to the Lib Dems www.thetimes.co.uk/article/puberty-blocker-drug-firm-donated-cash-to-lib-dems-cf3x77nh3?shareToken=628034842226d561165ff65ef2a0704c

that goes for both the Lib Dems and their you definitely don't exist, you're already abolished and Labour with their oh come on love, we're only going to abolish you a little bit.

This. Oh this.

Fuck that. Fuck the whole rampant sexism underpinning it.

As for Jo Swinson…. oh how I wish Emma had demanded how many women were an acceptable number for violent sexual crime victims as collateral damage so that males can have more freedom of choice and respect. Put a number on it. How many women exactly should embrace having their lives ruined to make males happier, Jo? And how does this not fundamentally expose your extremely fucked up belief about the natural subhuman and servile position that should be held by someone born biologically female?

Get thee to the bloody freedom programme.

The sorry was for the unintended pun!

I read it as less Turner getting angrier and more her getting more confident that she has the public on her side and the tide may be turning (sorry)

Don’t be sorry - I think it’s great either way!

I read it as less Turner getting angrier and more her getting more confident that she has the public on her side and the tide may be turning (sorry). Hence the tone of this article - Swinson's TV interview just put the issue right into the public domain, and her clueless assumption that of course the electorate are onboard with all the gender stuff meant that she actually said some of what the plans were, which as the Dentons document made clear wasn't meant to happen until it was too late. Swinson basically proved that Turner has been right all along, in public, on telly, in front of a massive audience - I'd be gleeful too!

No need to duck GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman . Many of us joined the Lib Dems because of their initial stand on Brexit - only to discover that despite their cuddly image, the misogynists had control of their LGBT section and women are only seen of as envelope stuffers and to validate certain people's identities. Very sad.

Janice Turner has really changed gears with this article.

She’s been getting angrier on Twitter for a while. Or more visibly angry maybe. Either way, I approve.

I am a Lib Dem member

Some poor spod from a local constituency (a marginal) rang me the other day in an effort to scrape together a few foot soldiers. I said that I had a few issues with the manifesto. Oh yes, he said, what were they?

Self ID for trans people, I said. I stressed that I was not anti rights and equality for trans people, not at all, have a trans relative who I love dearly, but that self ID really concerned me.

Oh, says spod, why would that be?

Because it would let any pervert who said he was a woman into women's spaces. And I am NOT saying that trans people are perverts, but it allows perverts to present as trans and that will put women and girls at risk.

Ah, said spod, there will sadly always be loopholes.

!!!!!! I said. I work in education, mate, we spend our bloody lives closing loopholes, we're all checked before we can get near the kids, data protection, safeguarding, and here you are opening a loophole a mile wide, and every sexual predator in the country will be through it. Like a ferret up a trouser leg, I thought but didn't say.

He coughed a bit and we closed the call.

And thinking about it, I am seriously contemplating phoning them on Monday and telling them where they can stuff any chance of me coming canvassing if 'there will always be loopholes' is the best they can say about the safety of girls and women. The more I think about it, the crosser I get.

Sorry, that was long.

• University humanities department said: “This speaker is part of the anti-trans platform. Free speech is one thing, but trans rights are human rights and we shouldn’t be debating human rights."

Zanahoria, this tells you everything you need to know about this academic’s contempt for freedom of speech....*

And also tells you everything you need to know about their contempt for women's rights. (goosefoot has analysed the failure of some people to be able to deal with the idea of conflicting rights)