Janice Turner thanks the LibDems

What's the point of putting X anyway? Travel to somewhere like Saudi and I think they'd make the decision for you irrespective of the X , especially if one was unlucky enough to be arrested and put in jail for any reason.

Just thinking about passports. If you can put an ‘x’ on your passport then why record sex at all? If they don’t need it to identify someone (so it is ok to put X) then they don’t need it at all.

Allowing those marriages that were dissolved solely due to the
Gender Recognition process to be retrospectively restored
This as written sounds Orwellian. I mean we all know what's wrong with the spousal "veto" and I knew that was in the manifesto, but this is horrific.

Maria Miller is a Tory.

Penny Mordaunt is a Tory.

I worry how many other Tories have done and will 'Do A Miller'

Lang, you know what I find so shocking? This is absolutely nothing whatsoever like a grass roots movement. It is nothing like a social change movement. Like the suffragettes. It is a deliberately secretive lobby which had immediate access to the people in the upper echelons of power. Civil servants, politicians, charities, state sector, private sector. And all of it done with zero media or public scrutiny. It’s unbelievable

They made a 'grassroots organisation' - action for trans health and offshoots who were important enough to give evidence to the Maria Miller committee. Jess, the non-binary transwoman disappeared from view after collating an online blog of underage upright members, and Her Own, and was ushered away by Farter Ruck, into a twilight land. Who paid for that?

Sounds about right.

In that "at all" is more than "what, you mean I can't just repeat what I was told verbatim and call it a day?"

Presumably not, but you're probably thinking this through more than the Libdems have done.

If said spouses have since remarried will they be prosecuted for bigamy?

You can't forcibly remarry people- the whole basis of marriage law is mutual consent.

– Allowing those marriages that were dissolved solely due to the Gender Recognition process to be retrospectively restored.

I presume this means that couples whose marriages had to be dissolved when one partner transitioned,before same sex marriage came in, can have their marriage restored if both parties want to. (ie if they stayed together).

Which I think is fair enough enough, although if such couples exist you'd think they'd have already remarried by now.

So spouses (mostly women I assume) who have had their marriages dissolved and got in with life will be forcibly remarried? Apart from anything else how would that even work? What if they have remarried, sorted out financial settlements etc?

WTAF? That's a terrible idea!

Allowing those marriages that were dissolved solely due to the Gender Recognition process to be retrospectively restored

Do the women who left those marriages get a say in this, or are they to be regarded merely as property to the very special person who utilised the process?

Fucking hell. The 1860s called, they want these Jurassic maniacs back to help stuff children up chimneys and prevent women owning property or voting. And frankly the 1860s can have them, there's no place for this lunacy in the modern world.

Lang, you know what I find so shocking? This is absolutely nothing whatsoever like a grass roots movement. It is nothing like a social change movement. Like the suffragettes. It is a deliberately secretive lobby which had immediate access to the people in the upper echelons of power. Civil servants, politicians, charities, state sector, private sector. And all of it done with zero media or public scrutiny. It’s unbelievable

So true.

Amazing work by Janice again. Especially her final point about the need for investigative journalism on this after the election.

Only just saw this from OldCrone upthread.

Complete the introduction of equal marriage, by:
– Removing the spousal veto.
– Allowing those marriages that were dissolved solely due to the Gender Recognition process to be retrospectively restored.

So spouses (mostly women I assume) who have had their marriages dissolved and got in with life will be forcibly remarried? Apart from anything else how would that even work? What if they have remarried, sorted out financial settlements etc?

Not only an appalling abusive plan but utterly impractical as well.

Sorry SeaRabbit, I can’t help you there. I’m voting Tory. I just can’t see how this genie will ever be put back in its bottle if it is released.

Yes. What do you suggest?

Could you get the title altered to be more specific so that it comes up on web searches please?

Sorry cis I didn't see your thread.

On Jo Swinson and passports - watch this! The original caller is low-hanging fruit and easily demolished but watch her flounder when it moves to passports! www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/jo-swinson-passionate-gender-neutral-uniform/

I have voted LibDem all my life except for the most recent European elections when I spoiled my ballot. I am vehemently opposed to Brexit. But after reading this comment below the Janice Turner article I am thinking about voting Tory. As someone posted up thread, they are talking about a seismic shift and disguising it as mere administration. Stop me voting Tory someone:

DEAR JANICE,
I must admire your article as it changed how I will vote on Thursday. I am a dyed-in-the-wool internationalist and remainer and have followed the Tory debacle that is called Brexit with horror.
I saw this country plunged into an economic mess, in the short-, medium- and long-term due to poor economic understanding, and wishful thinking, on the part of Johnson & co.
I was therefore going to vote LibDem….until I read your article!
I suddenly saw that economic mismanagement from the Tories is something we can survive, it’s like ‘getting used to lukewarm baths and tea in the new Britain’.
But the ‘woke’ policies of Jo Swinson and the LibDems are so much worse. They show a lack of understanding of life, humans, society and politics. I must confess that until your article, I had not done my ‘due diligence’ and seen their policies and promises that were unrelated to Brexit, my mistake.

Thanks for starting the new thread - I posted and went out to dinner. (Where I had an argument with a friend who has postal voted Lib Dem because she can’t bring herself to vote Tory and thinks that tribal loyalty is more important than reading the actual manifesto.)

Same bloke.