Woman's Hour Jo Swinson Now - 6th Dec

Oh dear Jo, your performance in that interview was terrible. Do you really not understand the issues.

First Emily, now Emma. They are really going for it at long last.What a cheering couple of days.

frazzled I'm with you but I think it has to be Labour. They are at last having this discussion at the top; they have taken GRA reform out of their manifesto; they have promised to uphold women's sex-based rights. The Tory alternative would be catastrophic for society as a whole.

@theflushedzebra Jean has just found even more (thanks to @elizabethceast on Twitter)

twitter.com/jeanhatchet/status/1202901925777346561?s=21

£100k last month by a pharmaceutical company that markets a puberty blocker.

Should this have its own thread? I had a look and couldn’t see a separate thread but didn’t want to duplicate if there is one.

This is dynamite - have LibDem's biggest donors (a facial feminisation surgery healthcare provider) managed to influence policy? - Policy that disregards the safety and sex-based rights of women

That’s an interesting revelation. Do you think the BBC’s forthright questioning suggests a tipping point in the media coverage of this?

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Womens shelters and safe spaces radio 4 now

° and losing frankly^

Today 10:21 TruthOnTrial

copied a post I put on a wrong thread just now.

Shes being very insistent about this and pushing the EA

Today 10:22 TruthOnTrial

Oh wow!

What kind of feminist are you! The kind that doesn't report male abuse as minister!

Today 10:22 TruthOnTrial

Womens and equality minister 'went to ground' instead of speaking up

Today 10:23 TruthOnTrial

She's on the rails, totally

Today 10:28 AppleBlossomTimeNow

She just can't form a cogent argument in favour of the proposed reform.

Today 10:32 TruthOnTrial

I was busy on a call and missed the first part of it. So annoying.

I was, for once, impressed at the womens rights being stood up for though by womans hour, against admitting mtf into refuge, and the womens and equalities minister trampling on women to centre mtf.

JH's tweet is a ludicrous conspiracy theory. Really not helpful.

Yes, I'm imagining Emma Barnett and Emily Maitlis and Jenni Murray and Sarah Montague and Kirsty Wark all in a What's App group, coordindating manoeuvres. Apologies and congratulations to all those anonymous women behind the scenes who have been involved too.

Jane Garvey, unfortunately, continues to be something of a let-down. She's asked a few questions but she hasn't followed through in the way that Barnett did just now and she's left me wondering a few times whether she really gets it. I think she may be too invested in her reputation for being wryly clever in a slightly-but-not-too-dangerous way to be prepared to step up and deliver what Barnett just did. For every time I've thought 'Yes!' when Garvey's asked an awkward question there's been at least one groan as she's dropped the ball and let some fairly outrageous statement go unchallenged. I suspect there's a lot of eye-rolling going on while she's interviewing some young artist from Brighton whose every other word is 'gender' but we can't see the eye-rolling on the radio.

My comments on other thread from earlier

TruthOnTrial

^It was appalling on her part, but yes, I am blown away at the stance and ferocity of fight from WH!

Tide turn.

I haven't heard this kind of reality from them since Jenny Murray.

This is dynamite - have LibDem's biggest donors (a facial feminisation surgery healthcare provider) managed to influence policy.

I think that must be true. Is Jo Swinson really so stupid that she doesn't understand women's concerns over this? Or is she in the pocket of her party's biggest donors? My guess would be the latter - either way it doesn't look good.

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Commented on other thread and emailed. Looks as though people’s eyes will be opened ...hope they read out letters tomorrow as they said they would be coming back but didn’t.

Fantastic interview Emma Barnett - dreadful by Jo Swinson.

As a prospective PM, how can Jo Swinson be unaware of the huge differences in offending rates between the SEXES. Violent lesbians attacking their partner in a women's refuge Jo? Care to provide any stats to compare with male violence? Good grief. Does she actually believe humans can change sex, TWAW etc....

Astounding lack of empathy that women in refuges need space away from and are traumatised by the mere presence of MALE BODIED PEOPLE whatever their 'gender identity'. Before we even consider MALE violence.

Dear oh dear. No idea who to vote for.

I've emailed my thanks to Emma Barnett.

This has been posted on another thread - twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1202625641360871424?s=19

This is dynamite - have LibDem's biggest donors (a facial feminisation surgery healthcare provider) managed to influence policy? - Policy that disregards the safety and sex-based rights of women.

I'd love to know what is going on at the BBC. It seems to be a complete about face.

I think it's a handful of intelligent, determined gc women making the case. The BBC is full of TRAs, so it's been hard, but they're getting there. At some point, the Beeb must have realised they couldn't ignore what was happening elsewhere - we have to thank Janice Turner, James Kirkup and others for leading the way on this.

A point of interest was that they wrote and approved the manifesto all gung ho, but without even knowing the numbers behind it.

I although thought the Childcare angle was indeed a weird lens to focus their whole woman-friendly policies on. Sure there are a lot of mums, but there are probably a LOT more people who are either past motherhood, not interested in motherhood or who simply don't know/don't care about childcare as the hook to hang everything on.

It came across as one of those things someone casually says at the start of a workshop and then it becomes gospel. "What are women interested in?" "Ummm, I dunno, kids? Childcare? I'll write it on the whiteboard for now" - and then it never got revisited again.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3761723-trans-in-refuge-fight-on-radio-4-now

Absolutely brilliant interview! She came across as a right idiot!

Have emailed Woman's Hour to send my congratulations!

just emailed WH, we all need to do this. They may even read out comments.

I'd love to know what is going on at the BBC. It seems to be a complete about face.

What an incoherent mess that interview was for Jo Swinson. She really came across as a dim wit, and a self-righteous one at that. The interviewer was great but every time JS said risk assessments could be carried out I wanted the point made that society has made a risk assessment and has concluded that women (females) as a class are at risk from men (males) as a class. What is different now that means this is no longer the case?

I've just emailed Emma Barnett to congratulate her on one of the clearest, hardest-hitting interviews I've heard on WH for ages. Jane Garvey could learn a thing or two. If anyone else would like to let Emma know what they thought you can email WH here:

[email protected]

Good stuff. And I agree with the OP that Emma and Andrea Catherwood sound similar.

Until now, I had thought Jo Swinson was a harmless gullible idiot.

Having listened to her on this, I now think she is an anti-woman hateful tryhard who will sell her morals to the highest bidder

A lot of people don't know what Cis is. The listeners are going to be wondering WTF why does she keep referring to me as such.

Is Emma Barnett a MNer, do you think

I think anyone who wants to be availed of any alternative to the forced dogma of TWAW et al, has few other options available but to browse Mumsnet. I suspect all sorts of people are now regulars - even if they don't post.