Woman's Hour Jo Swinson Now - 6th Dec

Not read the thread, I am only halfway through the interview, but OH. MY. GOD.

Emma Barnett is the interview? I just googled her and she is 34? She's incredibly strong. I am so impressed.

Jo Swinson is a fucking idiot.

I heard part of this interview when I woke up this morning (I have insomnia so I had set my alarm late this morning, so I actually woke up to this discussion). I thought the interviewer was doing a great job of trying to get Jo Swinson to see the issues, and discuss them, rather than just parroting her party's line, but Jo's answers simply infuriated me - as did her use of cis women and trans women ARE women.

I was planning to vote LibDem - they are the party most closely aligned with my political leanings - I refuse to vote Conservative, and whilst I like some of Labour's policies (and was raised socialist), I feel he and Momentum have taken the party too far left. I'm in Scotland, and am anti-independence, so I can't vote either SNP or Green - so now I have no idea what I am going to do.

Arghhh - I am too tired for this shit.

Ferring was interested in this novel use for their expensive drug because they market Triptorelin, one of the GnRH antagonists used in gender clinics under the brand names Diphereline and Gonapeptyl.

The Amsterdam clinic was financially supported in its experimental project to block puberty in gender dysphoric adolescents by a pharmaceutical company which stood to make commercial gains from their new protocol.

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-safe/

There needs to be investigations full stop.

The level of political corruption makes a total farce of those parties.

You reckon? The fact the Lib Dems are receiving money from pharma companies with an interest in making money from trans people is pure coincidence?

I was referring to JH's tweets about Spire Healthcare.
Ferring might be a different matter.

£100k cash donation confirmed on Electoral Commission website

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0414266

I reckon if you did a deep dive into the funding streams of many lobby groups and aggressive TRA campaigns to strip away women's sex based rights you might find some very compromising funding streams.

Thanks Shoesa, that’s very interesting in light of current events

The interview is here:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000c2h0

corruption

Thanks, Shoesa.

I think it has to be Labour. They are at last having this discussion at the top; they have taken GRA reform out of their manifesto; they have promised to uphold women's sex-based rights

Look at the small print though. In essence, Labour have said:

• they will make self ID easy, so anyone can be a woman
• women's spaces will be kept for women
• that means both kinds of women
• single sex will become single gender (mixed sex)

The sneaky underhandedness of that makes me think even worse of them than I did before. At least previously they were blatant about their misogyny. Now they are trying to conceal it.

zebra, bovary it was Lang who posted this from 2010:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7189466/David-Cameron-warns-lobbying-is-next-political-scandal.html

There's a culture war going on at the beeb, between women who think TWAW, and those who, er, don't. It's been reported.

I'm with you but I think it has to be Labour. They are at last having this discussion at the top; they have taken GRA reform out of their manifesto; they have promised to uphold women's sex-based rights.

I don't think it's that clear cut actually. They have committed to introducing self declaration for trans people. And Dawn Butler, the party's shadow equalities secretary has said: 'there is no way spaces will be permitted to discriminate against trans people. That is illegal and it will stay illegal'.

On a more positive note, top work by Emma Barnett by the sound of it.

You reckon? The fact the Lib Dems are receiving money from pharma companies with an interest in making money from trans people is pure coincidence?

Isn’t it a conflict of interest? That the Lib Dems are forcefully promoting the agenda of a shadowy, powerful lobby group which avoids public scrutiny? Conspiracy? I hope James Kirkup continues his excellent coverage

I'd love to know what is going on at the BBC. It seems to be a complete about face

Possibly because of the general election - they are under tighter reporting rules at the moment. Hopefully the momentum will keep them going past next Wednesday

Buying political parties should have political party excluded for undemocratic process.

You muppets lib dems.

Jo has been bloody marvellous today

Love her for showing the world how wrong it all is, she brought it into the light perfectly for everyone to see.

Loving the crew that are insisting on answers to their eminently answerable questions

There have now been some corkers. These things were foretold, and it is coming to pass.

JH's tweet is a ludicrous conspiracy theory.

You reckon? The fact the Lib Dems are receiving money from pharma companies with an interest in making money from trans people is pure coincidence?

Could be right. Could be that Swinson is morally pure and just very very stupid.

I'm sure I read something the other day that political lobbying will be the next big political scandal?

I can’t remember who posted it, think it was Lang, but apparently it’s what David Cameron said.

I'd be very wary. These people are slipperier than a vaselined eel

Quite so. But I think that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for the BBC to ignore this. Maya and Harry’s cases have been getting serious coverage especially in The Telegraph, Spectator. I am hoping the media have finally woken up to this

Always follow the money.

Totally conflict of interest

Lib dems jistt now look completely like hopeless hapless paid puppets.

How to destroy democratic process lib dems.

Fucking awful

I'm sure I read something the other day that political lobbying will be the next big political scandal? Maybe off the back of the Spectator article on Dentons?

That’s an interesting revelation. Do you think the BBC’s forthright questioning suggests a tipping point in the media coverage of this?

I'd be very wary. These people are slipperier than a vaselined eel