Woman's Hour Jo Swinson Now - 6th Dec

Agree mad list with the women who just happen to be male casually thrown in. Great exchange.

Also from yesterday's email

(Also, please note that the Committee is separate from the Government.)

I don't think you can blame the Government of the day for this - this is one of a series of Parliamentary committees set up by MPs not ministers, to independently hold Government departments to account.

www.parliament.uk/about/how/committees/select/

Sorry to derail, but I've just listened to the above exchange again and it did make me smile. Julia was ace

2Rebecca It was Vicky Leigh (Lee?) on Nick Ferrari last year. Julia Long was on and they were talking about stickers and single sex spaces. There was a thread about it at the time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3342195-Dr-Julia-Long-has-just-been-brilliant-on-LBC

soundcloud.com/anne-ruzylo/julia-long-on-lbc-21-08-18

TimeLady,
Thank you for posting the link. I had a look at the list of members but didn’t read much beyond that. Was this committe’s aim to promote the trans agenda? At whose instigation was this committee formed? Who selected its members? What were its activities? This was under a Conservative government too. It’s bloody unbelievable

I wondered if she was going to include "angry women", can't remember which transactivist had that in the list, think it was Jane Fae but may not have been

I think it was some nonentity Nick Ferrari interviewed together with Dr Julia Long. That was a good listen!

....Jo Swindon

Stuck on a Magic Roundabout?

Hmmmm.

It gets worse: the Committee's role is described as

The Committee fills "a gap" in previous accountability arrangements - the Minister for Women and Equalities and the GEO will now be held to account by a select committee for the Government's performance on equalities (sex, age, race, religion or belief, sexual orientation, disability, gender identity, pregnancy and maternity, marriage or civil partnership status) issues.

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/role/

When I queried why it said gender identity, the only protected characteristic with the wording changed, this is the response I got back yesterday:

The section of the website you mention specifically refers to “the Government's performance on equalities” and is discussing equalities in a policy setting rather than listing protected characteristics as they appear in the Equality Act 2010. The phrase ‘Gender identity’ has been used when explaining the Committee’s remit on the website since the Committee was established in 2015.

I'm calling bullshit. The consultation was a farce as far as the Committee was concerned. They expected it would just be rubber stamped.

Note the timing - 2015. When did Ruth Hunt and Stonewall adopt the T?

I wondered if she was going to include "angry women", can't remember which transactivist had that in the list, think it was Jane Fae but may not have been

Right, Grim - I was listening to it with DH in the car - and I groaned when she started that list, and DH muttered "FFS." Then added "I just don't know who the fuck to vote for."

Emma's dealing with not just the socialised belief that women being assertive/authoritative are not being nice, (compare her style to Piers Morgan or other well known male interviewers) but also the encourage myth that this subject should only ever be discussed with kid gloves and special care, and usual standards should not apply.

It was just awful .
I was waiting though for her to be asked to define a woman when we got the tw are w line. Missed opportunity as we had to listen to jo carving us up into categories...

I've noticed that some people really don't like the more aggressive style of interview|

I know what you mean, like John Humphreys - but the interviewer in this case was not aggressive - just persistent. She had a lovely voice too. Great timbre. Authoritative.

Thank you for that TimeLady. All the usual suspects. If you were not in the know you might assume that all those with traditionally female names were actually female too.

Thank you TimeLady I stand corrected.

Although I do recall the likes of Maria Miller and others in the party pushed it hard for a while.

Wow TimeLady I hadn't seen that before.

All the usual suspects and you really have to dig deep to find any gender critical women being listened to!

This being in the LD manifesto has shone a light on it like nothing else has done. And the BBC saying ‘but what about women?’ gives everyone permission to speak out about this now.

It’s not a niche/online/weird feminist thing: it’s a policy position of a mainstream party and our broadcasters, rightly, are finally asking the right questions. If they can, we can.

It might not be in the current Tory manifesto but they set the ball rolling on this shit show.

It was the newly set up all party Women & Equalities Committee which started the ball rolling back in 2015, not the Government.

All detailed here, 8 Sept onwards:

www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/women-and-equalities/Formal-Minutes/2015-20-Parliament/Formal-Minutes-2015-16.pdf

Wonder if that deserves its own thread, @MrsSnippyPants ?

Isn't 'enthusiastic' something of a euphemism for 'shit'?

If someone told me they were an 'enthusiastic tennis player I would assume they weren't much cop.

She certainly is an enthusiastic feminist our Jo.

At least two of the 'womanshour RUINED MY DAY' (that is a direct quote) and 'Will never listen again because of Emma' tweets are by the same person. Read the thread and play spot the dismayed activist.

Just listened and laughed out loud at the 'enthusiastic one' answer to 'what kind of feminist are you Jo Swinson?'
Emma Barnett on fire and JS came over as the stupid idiot that she is.
Had to email women's hour to congratulate Emma for being so fab and grinding JS into the ground. Journalism at its very best.

Just listened.

Ouch.

I wonder if anyone wants to give Jenni Russell from the Times some support?

twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1202958209058852865?s=20