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So where have you been asked about your gender identity rather than your sex?

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xxyzz · 05/12/2019 00:17

Just got a survey from ENO about a recent visit to the London Coliseum.

I was asked what my "gender identity" was.

I ticked "other" and explained I didn't have a gender identity, as there is no such thing, but I had a biological sex, which was female.

This substituting of "gender identity" for "sex" seems to have become mainstream in just the last year or so.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this, but if not, could people lease list below other companies/organisations who have now routinely removed all reference to biological sex in favour of gender identity?

To get a sense of the scale of the problem - and possible mass email or tweet them on this.

No idea why English National Opera would care that eg one of their male patrons likes to wear eyeliner on a Wednesday. Confused

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TheABC · 05/12/2019 10:01

Substituting gender for sex has been going on for years as it was considered less embarrassing (I remember talking about this two decades ago at the RNIB). Up until now, there has been very little dissonance between the two - it's the trans issue that has made it so explosive.

Having said all of that, if it's "what do you identify as", that organisation has clearly been stonewalled.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/12/2019 09:59

I changed gender to sex on a school form.

Also on a work survey.
First question was "what do you identify with"
a) as a woman
b) as a man
c) other, please specify.....

Second question, "does your birth sex match your gender identity"
a) yes
b) no
c) other, please specify......

They won't have liked my answers.

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 09:58

*my cat's gender.

Rubidium · 05/12/2019 09:58

Occasionally I participate in surveys over the phone. I did one recently, the results of which were in the news yesterday, incidentally, about gambling. I was also asked about the performance of my local council, and how regularly I change my home energy supplier/ internet provider/ bank account etc. At the end they take demographic information e.g. age, income bracket. The poor guy conducting the survey had to give me a great big rambling spiel about how some people's gender identity does not correlate with the gender assigned to them at birth and some people identify as non-binary or queer. "Does this apply to you?"
No, I am female and I am a woman. FFS.

TiredofthisBS · 05/12/2019 09:57

Oh yes. I remember I started to fill out a questionnaire for cats protection which asked me his gender. I don't know, I'll ask him and confirm what his preferred pronouns are while I'm at it or state he identifies as a dog. FFS

ememem84 · 05/12/2019 09:53

I am slightly concerned that my flamingo gender might be taken seriously though and I’ll be sent to the vets....

I ranted at my gp recently because the literature she gave me about the coil suggested that people with cervixes can have them fitted. Ffs. I mean I know I have a cervix. And im a woman. But. Mannnn

fruitbrewhaha · 05/12/2019 09:47

I run the payroll for my company and with a recent update it changed sex to gender on the employee details form. I rang them to complain but was told that they were following the government guidelines. I pointed out that as an employer I needed to be aware of an employees sex as this is a protected characteristic, I couldn't give a stuff what gender they felt they are. He wasn't interested.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/12/2019 09:40

I was also asked my pronouns recently. I ignored the question.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/12/2019 09:39

Quite a few times. When I can, I change to 'sex' or if forced to, put in 'other' and write 'my sex is female'.

Next time maybe I'll put flamingo as my gender identity, I like that.

ememem84 · 05/12/2019 09:38

At my gps recently. Had to fill in an updated patient info form.

I said I identified as other then wrote in the little box that my biological sex was female but I identified as a flamingo.

FearOfTheDuck · 05/12/2019 09:26

Most recently on a diversity questionnaire for my university. It was about whether students feel that the university is doing enough to address the needs of people with different protected characteristics.

I was first asked if I 'identified as' male, female or other, and then the list of characteristics that could be commented on included 'gender' and 'sexual orientation/gender identity' - the latter just like that, as a single category. I'm not sure even within trans ideology how gender and gender identity are supposed to differ.

There was a write-in box, so of course I put in 'sex', and explained to them with reference to the Equality Act how they can't possibly be taking steps to meet the needs of those disadvantaged by their sex (i.e. women) if the diversity team don't even recognise it as a category for analysis! I knew that the people reading it would be woke types, so I suggested that they collect data for both 'sex' and 'gender identity', with a 'none' option for those of us who don't have said identity. And wrote a little bit about how I couldn't answer the 'what do you identify as?' question because of its ontological assumptions.

ItsChristmaaaaaaaaas · 05/12/2019 09:06

Cat gender! 🤣

Xiaoxiong · 05/12/2019 08:59

The consent forms for the flu jab for the DCs. I crossed out "gender" and wrote SEX.

I'm sure the people who process the forms don't care but I'm hoping it catches someone's eye as they go through the paperwork.

TeenPlusTwenties · 05/12/2019 08:49

DD was asked on a job application form for gender identity and whether it matched 'that assigned at birth'. She was totally confused. I told her they should ask for sex as that is what they should be monitoring with respect to Equalities Act, but as she wanted the job we let it pass.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 05/12/2019 08:45

Filling out a vet's form recently it asked the gender of my cat Hmm

JellyfishAndShells · 05/12/2019 08:43

I had one survey from the BFI ( British Film Institute) that asked me which gender I most closely I identified with today. Which I assume is to cover the floating voters : ‘it’s Thursday - frock and heels day ? ‘

GoulashSoup · 05/12/2019 08:39

At the breast clinic. Long term problem as a consequence of breast feeding, totally because of my sex. (I know men can get breast cancer but surely then their sex is important as there would be a different hormonal background). I crossed it out and put sex.

TinaBarrow · 05/12/2019 08:38

NHS Blood donation service

jay55 · 05/12/2019 08:29

The practice census had both sex and gender identity questions.

maslinpan · 05/12/2019 08:27

I crossed out gender and replaced with sex on my blood donation form. This caused a bit of a stir and they had to print out a new one with gender on it. The manager asked me why and said he was on a committee involved with all this. I said it was an inaccurate way of getting data, but he asserted that they had not changed it from sex to gender. I donated as usual and kept it polite, but a strongly worded complaint is on my to do list. Might just include a dictionary definition of both terms.

Pantah630 · 05/12/2019 08:24

Filling in DH shotgun licence renewal, crossed out gender and wrote sex. Waiting to see if the PCC sends it back and asks him to fill it out himself.

FamilyOfAliens · 05/12/2019 08:24

I’ve posted this before on here but the online passport renewal form asks for gender and then records this as sex on your actual passport.

So you tick F for gender on the form and voila - your sex is female on your passport.

RadicalFern · 05/12/2019 08:19

When I was joining a union... It didn't really surprise me though; all the unions are intolerable wokefests.

Akire · 05/12/2019 08:19

I’m a Labour Party member and since the election started getting bombed with fundraising things weekly. One begging letter had 5 options to fill in along side your donation. Gender: male, female, trans, non binary and Other. Just in case 4 wasn’t enough to choose from.

Also had a blood test and wanted to know gender and if my gender identity matched my birth identify and needed to know my sexual preference very very long list to choose from there. When you need to know risks factors why make it so complicated through 20 questions of oh this person is TW who identifies as a Lesbian so you are biological Male who has sex with females? (Fully expect another strike for saying that but how else can you say it)I mean they still have to ask the questions of sure asking many more questions makes that easier.

GeoffreyAndBungle · 05/12/2019 08:18

I've just bought pet insurance online and the form asked for my cat's GENDER (male or female).

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