Another SNP member having to resign due to ‘antisemitism’

I've just read the comments on the article. SNP obviously has as big a problem as Labour.

It's also pretty 'underdog' to be surrounded by nations who think your nation has no right to exist.

folk don’t seem to have the imagination to realize the extent that trauma and legitimate threat has played in creating the Israeli mindset - seeing your whole family wiped out - having the legitimate paranoia of being surrounded by neighbours who hate you and want to wipe you and your children out, neighbours who raise their children to hate you and want you wipe you out. Most folk in the UK have never faced or had to deal with this level of threat.

It’s frustrating that both sides have chosen the likes of Netanyahu and Hamas to lead them.

Not short memories and easy feels. Would be nice to think so.

It's just anti semitism. Dressed up in excuses.

The Labour response to all this ie corbyn has been hopeless.
This woman's words were outrageous.
Can't believe people are thinking what she said is OK :/

Irony is i suspect those who reported her for her comments probably agree with her comments and views - on Israel anyway

Well I'm a gc old school feminist and a raging lefty

Read the link in the op, fucking hell. Outrageous comments and quite right she's gone. I'm amazed that someone in politics thinks it's even remotely OK to say that shit. Good that she did though, otherwise we'd be none the wiser as to what she was thinking.

It's hard to see how much more 'underdog' a people can get, than to have been subject to vicious and vile racism for centuries, and within living memory, to have had 6 million of you wiped out in a genocide.

It's also pretty 'underdog' to be surrounded by nations who think your nation has no right to exist.

Short memories and easy feels, I reckon, on the left.

I’d say generally Scotland is pro palestinian - anti israeli - been that way since i remember back to the 80s so the views expressed by these SNP candidates aren’t unusual or unpopular. Scotland naturally supports what it sees as the underdog - though most folk if they found themselves and their families (their daughters and LGBT relatives) suddenly dropped in the area would of course run to Israel for protection of a secular democratic state rather than the protection and rules of Hamas - but such is hypocrisy with the safety of living in a safe free country like the UK

Many on the left champion the Palestinian cause.

Which is ironic, when the modern state of Israel was founded by socialists, and on the other side you have Fatah, dominated by the old landowning families who sold the land to the Zionists in the first place, and Hamas who are reactionary homophobic misogynist racists who think the world is run via a global network of Lions Clubs.

Many on the left champion the Palestinian cause.

Apart from the obvious and undisputed humanitarian aspect, it allows them to show allegiance to the plucky underdog against the cruel state (David vs Goliath) as well as displaying blatant antisemitism which they defend under the banner of championing the plucky underdog. Win win situation for them. Been going on for years.

inverted commas round antisemitism.

I forgot to comment about that as well. Stands out a mile doesn’t it.
Like ‘racism’.

I hear that any criticism of George Soros is also anti-semitic?

You heard wrong.

"George Soros wears terrible suits and needs a haircut." - Not Anti-Semitic.

"George Soros is part of a global conspiracy of financiers that controls the weather..." - Anti-Semitic.

Oh for goodness sake of course it’s anti Semitic.

Criticise Israel’s behaviour towards Palestinians by all means. Call them fascists even (if you must).

But calling them Nazi is anti Semitic. It refers specifically to the Nazi party, whose policy was extermination of the Jews.

I hear that any criticism of George Soros is also anti-semitic? Most people do not even know that Soros is Jewish.

I find the recent rise of anti-Jewish and Israeli sentiment bizarre. No-one I know is talking about Judaism and Israel. Why has this suddenly become a thing now? Many people feel uncomfortable with some of Israel's actions like the Jewish settlements near or on the occupied territories and the fact that the occupied territories are still occupied but I don't get why so many people get quite so worked up about Israel rather than China Turkey Saudi Arabia etc and why this seems to have grown arms and legs now. There aren't very many Jews in Scotland so it seems an odd thing for SNP members to get worked up about.

And people defending her because she’s GC. People can be GC (good) and also anti-Semitic (bad). Just because she has sensible views on some matters shouldn’t have people defending the indefensible. This distinction seems to have been lost on many members of the labour party too

What other country is ever referred to as a Nazi state - Iran, China, Myanmar, North Korea? Why Israel? I think it's pretty clear why and it's nothing to do with concern for human rights.

This on a plate with a cherry on top.

What other country is ever referred to as a Nazi state - Iran, China, Myanmar, North Korea? Why Israel? I think it's pretty clear why and it's nothing to do with concern for human rights.

I wonder if the second world war is just too distant now for people to actually connect with?

I worked with a man when I was nineteen who had numbers tattooed on his arm. We didn't share a language but I remember him very well. He was very old at the time and I was young and I suppose he will be dead now and that not many of us here in the UK in 2019 have had that experience of looking at actual numbers tatooed on an actual person by a political regime for the purpose of exterminating those people.

I find it so incredibly awful that people can view that horror and pain with the kind of detachment you would need to argue that this current political conduct - dancing around the edges of what you can get away with as you talk about Israel - is ok.

littlebrowndog that article appears to be total drivel. Saying Israel is aggressive or violent or whatever isn’t comparing Israel to Nazis because crucially, the word ‘Nazi’ is missing.

So the argument is “these horrid men did it and got away with it so we should too”.

That’s not really a good excuse for blatant anti-semitism. What the SNP should be doing is also suspending the men who are doing it. Surely that’s the discussion point?

I agree with pp - the speech marks around anti-semitism in the OP are a really poor look. As is the nitpicking around semantics.

As a left wing woman I feel absolute common cause with British Jews who cannot understand how theso-called progressive left has turned against them and become the enemy.

Cripes wings is on a roll

wingsoverscotland.com/two-woke-princes/

The Clive Ponting case struck down the high court ruling that "The interests of the state are the interests of the government of the day."

The state is the territory bounded by a border and everything contained therin.

And for Israel to be like the Nazis, the Nazis would have to be like Israel, with one-fifth of their citizens Jewish, regular democratic elections, an independent judiciary and a diverse free media.

None of the above absolves Israel from the many crimes committed by Likud govts since 1976, any more than Israel's actions absolve Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian terror groups from their many crimes, mostly against Palestinians.

wingsoverscotland.com/the-attack-of-the-purity-police/