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Ashlee Evans Smith defeats Fallon Fox

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/12/2019 07:30

(Warning: potentially upsetting/violence)

This is a clip of a female MMA fighter taking on Fallon Fox (male born and bred, transitioned as a mature adult).

Yes, Ashlee defeats Fox, but I found it really quite distressing to watch a male sexed person deliberately getting in the ring to purposely try and beat the shit out of a woman. (And the breathy little girl voice at the start completely assuming the win is a foregone conclusion too.)

I felt like every single one of Ashlee's punches was saying "Fuck you. This is for every woman who has been hurt by male violence"

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Qcng · 04/12/2019 09:46

I believe the cyclepath deliberately lost a race recently though, to "prove" something, so it's not beyond possibility that FF didn't try hard enough on purpose.
This is the first fight they have lost.

Qcng · 04/12/2019 09:44

Fallon Fox hasn't retired.

I just had a regrettable impulse to check Fox's Wiki, which uses the phrase ".... Is the first openly transgender athlete in MMA history"

Uhhh, no FF was NOT "openly transgender" until it was discovered by a journalist. They fought against many women who had no idea they were fighting a male person, actually.

happydappy2 · 04/12/2019 09:36

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 04/12/2019 08:17

There is discussion on Facebook as to whether Fox deliberately lost to prove that TW don't always win and don't always have an advantage

I don't know why these TW &TRAs bother with this silly argument. It is not in dispute that males (including "fully transitioned" transwomen) have physical advantages over females due to male puberty.

If a woman can beat a male, that just means the male isn't very good. It doesn't mean there is no advantage. They're still cheating, even if they are shit at it.

Oblomov19 · 04/12/2019 08:07

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StrangeLookingParasite · 04/12/2019 08:01

Fox has retired?

Lamahaha · 04/12/2019 07:59

I'm glad the transgender athlete was called out and has now retired. Should never have happened though.

Oh, that wasn't on the clip I watched. Will watch this one later.

SapphosRock · 04/12/2019 07:51

I'm glad the transgender athlete was called out and has now retired. Should never have happened though.

ImGenderfree · 04/12/2019 07:50

Ashlee was fantastic especially saying that Fallon had ana advantage. The crowd were clearly supporting only one of the fighters - they knew what was fair.

Lamahaha · 04/12/2019 07:45

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