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Ashlee Evans Smith defeats Fallon Fox

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/12/2019 07:30

(Warning: potentially upsetting/violence)

This is a clip of a female MMA fighter taking on Fallon Fox (male born and bred, transitioned as a mature adult).

Yes, Ashlee defeats Fox, but I found it really quite distressing to watch a male sexed person deliberately getting in the ring to purposely try and beat the shit out of a woman. (And the breathy little girl voice at the start completely assuming the win is a foregone conclusion too.)

I felt like every single one of Ashlee's punches was saying "Fuck you. This is for every woman who has been hurt by male violence"

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Kantastic · 05/12/2019 09:09

bleacherreport.com/articles/2038764-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-and-her-slowly-fading-fifteen-minutes-of-fame

All the science at the link saying "Scientists disagree" has now been debunked. It's now understood that MtF individuals retain male strength even when no longer producing testosterone. Does it change your opinion of this article, knowing that all the people quoted in it who accused Fox of having a massive unfair advantage were 100% correct?

Knowing this, do you think it's reasonable that Fox fought women and "won in devastating fashion," breaking one woman's skull, without informing the women of Fox's MtF status and consequent unfair advantage?

ItsChristmaaaaaaaaas · 05/12/2019 07:58

Didn’t the defeated boxer seriously injure (and end the career) of another boxer?

Did they change categories then (obviously a much more powerful and stronger person resulting in the dreadful injuries - so like me boxing a cat). You shouldn’t be able to beat your opponent to a pulp.

Oblomov19 · 05/12/2019 07:13

Made me very sad to see that fight. Horrible to watch.

PreseaCombatir · 04/12/2019 22:43

Under his eye Forever, under his eye...

ForeverFaff · 04/12/2019 21:01

Why was my post deleted? I didn't apply any sex based words about anyone!
Are we not allowed to call people who use unfair advantage to win sports cheats now!?

Oblomov19 · 04/12/2019 20:35

Never heard of Joe Rogan before, but now a fan as he talks informed common sense!

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/12/2019 19:03

hamstersarse that was a very interesting discussion and he has a luxury of being a man and one that doesn’t doesn’t give a fuck, so won’t get the hate that women get. However, when he says at the end about people eventually being able to turn into women, you know he still doesn’t quite get it. All the surgery and medications in the world will never remove that male socialisation and the sense of dominance and entitlement that quite often comes with it.

slipperywhensparticus · 04/12/2019 18:31

Why are there so many deletions? Why are we not allowed to discuss a born female winning a match

hamstersarse · 04/12/2019 15:05

Joe Rogan talks very sensibly about Fallon Fox

PerrysWinkle · 04/12/2019 14:49

Great to see women winning at women’s sporting events.
Interesting that the monitors are out for this one. 👋🏼

NotTerfNorCis · 04/12/2019 14:16

To the TRAs trying to Teflon-shoulder this one on Twitter by claiming MMA is a bad thing anyway.... The issue here is male people in any female sport. Its consequences are just more extreme here. Not only does the male-bodied person* win, they can hurt their opponent far more than is usual in the sport.

*Censored to avoid ban hammer.

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ForeverFaff · 04/12/2019 13:42

Sorry, that was @SapphosRock

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NellieEllie · 04/12/2019 12:02

I have no idea what sport this was. But it reminded me of old fashioned British wrestling in that it was utterly unconvincing. When Ashlee was punching Fox on the ground it was clearly not full strength. Fox at several points just looked like they weren’t trying.

PreseaCombatir · 04/12/2019 11:12

I like the ref. When the coach was saying he’s complaining, he literally waves his hand and turns his back. And when they announced Ashlee won, the smile on his face. Because he knew

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 04/12/2019 10:32

I have in the past watched a fair bit of MMA.

What stands out to me is that Smith's face is swollen at the end. Fox's isn't at all, despite Smith repeatedly 'ground and pounding'. I think that that is a pretty stark illustration of the difference in strength.

Having said that, what was Fallon doing at the end there - didn't seem to be trying at all.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/12/2019 10:15

That would make you a Snowflake Woke Bro.... wouldn't it?

SapphosRock · 04/12/2019 10:12

Definitely retired. Their Twitter states 'former professional MMA fighter'

The clip shared by the OP was back in 2013 and FF wasn't 'out' as trans. When it was discovered all hell broke loose.

I vaguely remember the controversy - there's quite an interesting article on it here:

bleacherreport.com/articles/2038764-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-and-her-slowly-fading-fifteen-minutes-of-fame

SarahTancredi · 04/12/2019 10:09

Well I have been mistaken for a man in a few occasions.

Perhaps i should be more offended?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/12/2019 10:06

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SarahTancredi · 04/12/2019 10:04

And there was me thinking it was the same kind of "embarrassment and anger" felt by XY humans when they are beaten by girls and everyone's laughing at them.

Naughty Sarah

I noticed how even the coach straight away adopted victim status too.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/12/2019 10:01

Why on earth was ff crying after because women cry, you silly thing. We all know women are soft and sentimental, even if they’ve a male body and use their male advantages to beat the shit out of actual women. Womanly feelings..innit.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 04/12/2019 09:59

Sarah because that what girlie lady types do when they lose.

We go all faint and weep uncontrollably, and talk in an affected high pitched tone

It's only ladylike...

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SarahTancredi · 04/12/2019 09:55

Why on earth was ff crying after 🙄 didn't seem to find it "so hard " when they smashed that other woman's face ...

Cheat.