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The MOODY PROBLEM

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 04/12/2019 00:56

"Today, @UniOfYork
responded to my SAR request. There are SEVENTY PAGES of discussion between Prof. Alan Thomas and admin/pr/legal/academics concerning the MOODY PROBLEM.
Highlights include their response to Ms Stephanie Hayden's (LLB. Hons) & Adrian Harrop's complaint

mobile.twitter.com/drlouisejmoody/status/1201950391199510528

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midcenturylegs · 04/12/2019 14:05

Louise I've not met you but I've listened to you and you have my support.

I have a grad working for me who has said that at her Uni the Woke ideology came very much from the humanities department and outside of that was treated with a sense of bafflement (and ignored when possible). Could these student be engaged with in some way? Not alll students (who study hard sciences, engineering etc) believe in this.

aliasundercover · 04/12/2019 14:04

DrLouiseJMoody

Thanks for doing this. It takes brave, determined people to stand up to this sort of crap.

DrLouiseJMoody · 04/12/2019 13:50

What I do not understand is that I KNOW some of the people trying to come down on me at York agree with what I'm saying because they have told me so in discussion! In writing they are saying something very different and I am astounded at the lack of integrity. I am sometimes criticized for black and white thinking, but I have a sense of what's right, and I have never lied to someone's face like this in a professional context, and certainly not when people's careers are on the line!

Professor Alan Thomas' numerous e-mails to me threatening me with a disciplinary process which he knew never even applied to me constitute harassment and intimidation by a senior academic against, and let's be blunt, a vulnerable woman with considerably fewer resources than himself. Alan could simply send an e-mail to York's legal team to deal with matters whereas I didn't know where to begin (of course, were I an actual employee - rather than being treated as one when they didn't like what I was publicly saying - I would have been able to seek HR advice and take a representative with me to any meetings without incurring significant costs).

I've now made a formal complaint against Alan (I was just waiting on the SAR stuff to make sure I had everything). A dismissive response would be rather stupid given the PR headache their own behaviour is presently causing them.

RoyalCorgi · 04/12/2019 13:44

I received seventy pages of discussion between Alan Thomas and PR/Legal/admin/academics about HOW DO WE SHUT MOODY UP BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMAGE.

Do you reckon these people ever paused to think whether this was a worthwhile use of their time? Whether your thoughtcrime was really so threatening and terrifying to the university's reputation that it required their combined cunning Machiavellian genius to defeat you? It never occurred to them that perhaps, in the scheme of things, they had bigger fish to fry than silencing a young researcher who wasn't even a member of staff??

Uncompromisingwoman · 04/12/2019 13:42

Thank you DrLouiseJMoody for what you are doing.

As the layers of all this are being peeled back it highlights what a cesspit of lies, bullying, abuse of power and narcissism is underneath - and how many allegedly intelligent people have been caught up in it.

DrLouiseJMoody · 04/12/2019 13:34

MOODY BIGOT SIGNING IN.

Well, when I made the SAR request in Oct I was told it was going to take extra time on account of their being "multiple matches" concerning me. I was a bit uncertain as to what that meant but soon found out when I received seventy pages of discussion between Alan Thomas and PR/Legal/admin/academics about HOW DO WE SHUT MOODY UP BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMAGE.

I'll put up the entire thing later so you can read the insanity for yourself.

BovaryX · 04/12/2019 11:48

They are censorious, almost dystopian, ideology-factories, rather than a place for developing the critical thinking and autonomy of their students as they claim to do

MarieIvan,
About a year ago I read an article in The Guardian of all places about an academic who was too frightened to admit to his colleagues that he had voted Brexit. As your grim assessment indicates, the idea that debate is hate speech has been accepted. There is a fanatical refusal in certain quarters to acknowledge dissenting opinions are valid. The use of ‘hate speech’ to silence legitimate debate is increasingly used by a totalitarian faction who have a stranglehold on social sciences.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 04/12/2019 11:45

@RubyViolet, in a word, yes. Check out the Twitter feed on the UCU (Universities and College Union) strikes that are due to conclude today. All over Twitter there are stories of bullying and harrassment by university management.

One university is telling its international students their Tier 4 visas will be affected if they don't cross picket lines and attend during the strike period. Another is telling its staff it will dock their salaries if they work to their (legal) 37 hour a week contract (many do about 50 hours). Yet another is posting forms to its student body, asking them to 'grass' on their striking lecturers and send the form to them showing who these people are.

If you think these examples are exaggerated (they're not) you can find evidence for all of this on Twitter, along with individual horror stories from lecturers about exactly why they're striking.

Work intensification is the official reason given by the union, but this, of course, is being achieved by driving staff hard and bullying them into submission.

UK Higher Education really has degenerated into a sorry state, I'm sad to say.

RubyViolet · 04/12/2019 11:34

It’s targeted harassment by the usual suspects, is this what they do all day ?

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2019 10:59

It really is.

BovaryX · 04/12/2019 10:58

there is a collective, unspoken agreement amongst universities throughout the country - the guardians of our intellectual life - to pretend to believe a blatant falsehood

And to actively persecute, sack, bully and no platform anyone who refuses to comply. It shows intellectual cowardice, moral bankruptcy. These academic institutions have relinquished intellectual freedom for censorship by a group of aggressive bullies. It’s shameful

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 04/12/2019 10:08

The government started with the pre-16 education sector: dumbing down the system and trying to turn children into approved clones: because heaven forbid they might have differing levels of ability and skills in different areas.

Now that mission is accomplished - and new undergraduates can't tell 'been' from 'being', 'sat' from 'sitting' or construct a basic sentence in subject-verb-object order - they're starting with H.E. Universities can no longer function in terms of their original intended purpose. They are censorious, almost dystopian, ideology-factories, rather thana place for developing the critical thinking and autonomy of their students as they claim to do.

Humanities departments are really big on teaching dystopia, ideology and totalitarianism: why? Because it's a 'sexy' topic and their students enjoy learning about it and will often opt for modules in that general subject area.

Yet the stated policies of many HEIs are now going back on the fundamental premise that a belief system without room for debate or questioning is a dangerous thing.

And misogyny is rife in this 'enlightened' sector: perhaps more so than in other walks of life, difficult though that is to believe. Sexual harrassment is endemic: almost every female lecturer has a story. And harrassing women, as Louise Moody is being harrassed, is possibly even more endemic: so much so that it's becoming viewed as normal.

She has my utmost sympathy in having to work under conditions like this.

RoyalCorgi · 04/12/2019 09:42

I don't seriously think that they believe that Transgender women are really women.

Let's hope so. But what that means is that there is a collective, unspoken agreement amongst universities throughout the country - the guardians of our intellectual life - to pretend to believe a blatant falsehood.

Isn't that extraordinary?

Qcng · 04/12/2019 09:14

Forms and form Grin

tooyoungat40 · 04/12/2019 08:49

their, not there

tooyoungat40 · 04/12/2019 08:46

I don't seriously think that they believe that Transgender women are really women. But they are too afraid to state publicly there view. They are watching very carefully what they put in writing in order that they do not (in their view) make themselves vulnerable afterwards. They are shit-scared of bad PR because they worry that bad PR could affect student numbers - their bread and butter. It looks like we need one strong and brave University to put their heads above the parapet and come out as gender critical at an institutional level. Once one does it, I reckon it will be a domino effect. But don't hold your breath.

BovaryX · 04/12/2019 08:42

Instead, they're expressing horror at the fact that someone has dared to say that 2 +2 = 4, not 5

It’s because for over two decades freedom has been relegated to the bottom of the list by politicians. This includes the one party who should have its protection hard wired into its political DNA. This is the outcome of the erosion of that definitional principle. The bludgeon being used is hate speech and ‘equality’ 1984 really has been adopted as a manual not a warning

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 04/12/2019 08:41

I hope the UoY shat themselves when they got the SAR.

Imagine the meetings that were had after they realised the volume of stuff they had to hand over.

RoyalCorgi · 04/12/2019 08:35

What the hell is wrong with these people? It's not just the horrendous bullying and the attacks on freedom of speech that get me - deplorable though those are in a university. No, the thing that strikes me most is the sheer fucking stupidity. These are academics. They're supposed to be able to use their brains. Instead, they're expressing horror at the fact that someone has dared to say that 2 +2 = 4, not 5.

How can institutional capture have got this far? What's happened?

BovaryX · 04/12/2019 08:17

Bovary it’s totally outrageous isn’t it. She is fabulous, I’m so glad there are some female GC academics like her who won’t take this lying down

She is very brave but it’s just so shocking that this level of Stasi like bullying is being used to forcibly silence women. Douglas Murray made a very interesting point in one interview on this topic, that it’s only people like him who don’t have a boss and are not vulnerable to being sacked who can discuss this without penalty. It’s absolutely outrageous

NotTerfNorCis · 04/12/2019 08:07

She takes the view that transgender women are not women but men.

If they were women they wouldn't be trans, surely? Only males can be transwomen.

BadgertheBodger · 04/12/2019 08:04

Bovary it’s totally outrageous isn’t it. She is fabulous, I’m so glad there are some female GC academics like her who won’t take this lying down

BovaryX · 04/12/2019 07:24

I have just watched the excellent video of the speech Dr. Louise Moody gave at WPUK. She is a superb speaker, but it’s hard to listen to it without feeling a combination of shock, anger and incredulity that this is actually what is happening in 21st century UK to any women brave enough to assert belief in objective reality. I know many women on this forum have been fighting against this oppression for some time, but most of the UK public, including me until a few months ago, are not aware of what is going on. This is an Orwellian assault on the very Enlightenment values which should define academia. She is being sued? Who is funding this lobby group? Why are universities which should be the guardians of freedom of speech and for whom objective reality should be the benchmark of debate capitulating to this?

Milanimilani · 04/12/2019 07:15

Again and again I get shocked by the idea that we are not allowed to say that men are men. I hope that it never seems normal to have to lie.

NotAssigned · 04/12/2019 07:14

Forms and form.