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Searching for a party - LibDems on trans

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crosstalk · 03/12/2019 19:34

This is the response the LibDems gave me. My concerns are in bold
The Liberal Democrats will introduce a policy which will allow people to be recognised as their gender, without the dehumanising process of being diagnosed and proving their identity.

This will mean that trans people will be able to transition and receive support from the NHS without a gender dysphoria diagnosis. This will also stop the two-year waiting period to get a Gender Recognition Certificate a period which is routinely ignored, forcing trans people to be denied their gender recognition for even longer.

This waiting period and diagnosis is often dehumanising and distressing for trans people, it includes invasive personal questions and outdated understandings of gender and sex. By allowing people to self-identify, the Liberal Democrats would ensure trans people are treated with respect throughout their transition.

A person’s trans identity is not one which it taken lightly, and they are often faced with abuse and rejection after coming out.

While it is true that women often struggle to have their voices heard, it is similarly true for trans people who often find themselves the subject of ill-informed and misleading comments. We are further concerned at the tone of a misleading campaign run across the media over the past couple of years which unfairly conflates issues. It seeks to present trans people as a threat to women but does so without evidence. We support the rights of all women to justice, dignity, and equality.

Trans rights are not in opposition to women’s rights, and trans women have used single sex facilities for decades without a problem. Behaviour in those spaces is covered by public order offences, meaning that any individual causing concern in those spaces can be removed.

We support removing the various obstacles trans people have in getting their gender legally recognised and note that this is separate to amending the Equality Act or weakening its provisions.

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merrymouse · 03/12/2019 19:51

The Liberal Democrats will introduce a policy which will allow people to be recognised as their gender, without the dehumanising process of being diagnosed and proving their identity.

Why does anyone need to be recognised as a gender?

receive support from the NHS without a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

This bit is really confusing - why would they need support from the NHS without a gender dysphoria diagnosis?

forcing trans people to be denied their gender recognition for even longer.

Again, what is gender recognition and why is it needed?

We are further concerned at the tone of a misleading campaign run across the media over the past couple of years which unfairly conflates issues. It seeks to present trans people as a threat to women but does so without evidence.

Here, the Lib Dems seem to be having their own misleading campaign. Women are concerned about men, not trans people.

trans women have used single sex facilities for decades without a problem.

Whether or not this is true (and there is evidence that it isn't), this point is irrelevant if the law is changed so that there is no objective criteria to define 'trans women'.

and note that this is separate to amending the Equality Act or weakening its provisions.

Only true if you think a GRC is completely meaningless and might as well be a 'well done' certificate you can download from the internet.

TowelNumber42 · 03/12/2019 19:47

Men want. Men get. There is no evidence men are a threat to women. There are already laws against you being attacked therefore it never happens.

This is a major reason why I am not voting for them.

They can't engage their brains to notice a wacky religion is affecting women, especially the poor, the disadvantaged, and the young (TW & ROGD).

What other crazy ideas will they buy into without thinking it through? The lobby groups owned them too easily.

OhHolyJesus · 03/12/2019 19:42

If you're looking for a vaguely GC party to vote for OP, the only party for you is Conservative but they are the ones that did the GRA consultation and haven't published the results and have failed to deliver the investigation into the high numbers of girls wishing to be boys.

Even the Women's Equality Party are TWAW so you'll be at a loss I'm afraid.

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