Searching for a party - LibDems on trans

The Lib Dems told me in February when I wrote to them after Baroness Featherstone's comments that there was no debate, that my views were not welcome and my membership and direct debit were cancelled.

Even with that, I'm still hoping they will see sense and at least allow a debate about this. It seems utterly illiberal to #nodebate anything, let alone something as important to women as this. I have written to my local candidate - here's hoping that he will not respond by calling me a bigot. If he gives me an answer evidencing a liberal thought process that at least acknowledges that there may be concerns that are not rooted in bigotry, I may still vote for him. We'll see.

As trans women can use female spaces now with or without a GRC then strengthening the exemptions still seems logical.

How would this work in practice?

Thanks for the link and info. As trans women can use female spaces now with or without a GRC then strengthening the exemptions still seems logical.

If these exemptions are properly enforced then possessing a GRC will have less meaning and women will be better protected.

Read the thread Ereshkigal linked to, and pay attention to my post near the end of the thread where I quote what some legal experts have said about this.

Self-ID for GRCs means that single sex spaces can no longer exist.

But let's not derail a discussion of how shit the Lib Dems are with how shit Labour are.

There you go, Sappho

It's a long thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749319-Labour-promises-to-keep-single-sex-exemptions

Well I emailed them a while ago after Jo Swinson's lesbians are as big a risk in a DV refuge as men to tell them I won't vote for them. I would be surprised if I was alone.

Both. You don't seem very aware of what's been going on?

Push back from the MPs themselves or from TRAs?

It's in the manifesto and so there can be no push back.

There can, will be, and already has been.

At least Labour have paid lip service to strengthening the exemptions in the equality act in their manifesto. Unlike all the others.

Yes indeed. This is a great start and putting pressure on MPs to uphold and strengthen these exemptions feels like the most effective thing that be done politically at the moment. It's in the manifesto and so there can be no push back.

If these exemptions are properly enforced then possessing a GRC will have less meaning and women will be better protected.

None of the other parties seem to give a toss.

At least Labour have paid lip service to strengthening the exemptions in the equality act in their manifesto.

Which will mean precisely nothing alongside self id, where everyone simply chooses their own sex.

Who knew transition was the answer

She does actually seem to believe it is.

Writing in Equal Power about her time working at Viking FM in the 2000s and how male-dominated radio is, she says: “In fact the gender balance was slightly better than we knew at the time, as our anchor breakfast presenter was Stephanie Hirst, at the time known as Simon.” She does not appear to be joking.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Lib Dems gaining any seats this election.

At least Labour have paid lip service to strengthening the exemptions in the equality act in their manifesto. Unlike all the others.

I suppose it's quite logical, when you think about it.

From the article by Sarah Ditum, Jo Swinson wrote this:

"Before she took charge of her party, in the doldrum years between 2015 and 2017 when she was out of Parliament, she wrote a book called Equal Power: Gender Equality and How to Achieve it, which presents itself as a manifesto for solving the male dominance of politics."

Who knew transition was the answer

Men want. Men get

That pretty much, and pithily, sums up Lib Dem policy in its entirety.

unherd.com/2019/12/jo-swinsons-feminist-credentials-are-a-joke/?=frpo

An article by Sarah Ditum on Jo Swinson

Jo Swinson’s feminist credentials are a joke
Fetishising self-identified gender over biological sex is putting women in danger

This one definitely should:

Parker v Belcher

https://www.facebook.com/humanfemales/videos/2232414423723489?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

Sorry wrong post, that was one she did about how to ask questions at your hustings, following the Belcher one.

Hope this works:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?storyfbid=2232414423723489&id=2239530066266838&anchorr_composer=false

While it is true that women often struggle to have their voices heard, it is similarly true for trans people who often find themselves the subject of ill-informed and misleading comments. We are further concerned at the tone of a misleading campaign run across the media over the past couple of years which unfairly conflates issues. It seeks to present trans people as a threat to women but does so without evidence. We support the rights of all women to justice, dignity, and equality.

Trans rights are not in opposition to women’s rights, and trans women have used single sex facilities for decades without a problem. Behaviour in those spaces is covered by public order offences, meaning that any individual causing concern in those spaces can be removed.

This is almost word for word what Helen Belcher responded to Posie Parker at a hustings last night. See video below.

So either it's a generic response they all trot out, and/or quite probably, Belcher had something of a hand in writing it. Unless Belcher is your Lib Dem candidate, which obviously you don't need to say.

www.facebook.com/humanfemales/videos/432330567658587?vh=e&d=n&sfns=mo

crosstalk, was this from Lib Dems HQ, a prospective candidate or the membership office?

thanks

without the dehumanising process of being diagnosed

Will all NHS treatment now be available without that dreadful diagnosis nonsense? Or just this one?

My nephew probably has ASD, it has been a nightmare trying to get a diagnosis so he can get help. Seriously dehumanising and difficult.

Can't wait to hear what lib dems are planning for people like him now self-diagnosis without needing evidence is enough for NHS treatment.

The lobby groups owned them too easily.

Agree. Maybe in the days of 'I agree with Nick' they could claim to be the voice of reason in the centre, but not any more.

the only party for you is Conservative but they are the ones that did the GRA consultation and haven't published the results and have failed to deliver the investigation into the high numbers of girls wishing to be boys.

And have done nothing while the police, the guides, local councils introduce sexist and homophobic policies on the quiet.