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Dr Philip Lee, LibDem candidate shows us who he is

115 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 03/12/2019 16:20

In my opinion he didn't cover himself in glory on the issue of women's rights. His answer on prisons showed where his priorities lie. Did I misinterpret him?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3758248-Webchat-with-Dr-Phillip-Lee-LibDem-candidate-for-Wokingham-on-Tuesday-3-December-at-2pm?msgid=92040789

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LangCleg · 03/12/2019 16:45

And yet it is such an important question. Detach this from the trans issue. Do we really want a political system where some things (any things, it doesn't matter what the issue is) can be lobbied for behind closed doors while public discussion of them is off limits?

Precisely. I did point this out cos thought my question might be deleted. It was deleted anyway.

Orwellian.

theflushedzebra · 03/12/2019 16:45

My question wasn't just deleted - it was completely erased from the thread - no trace of my name on there anymore.

Which is interesting because I didn't know HQ could do that!

Wasn't too impressed with his answers - which seemed to be "I prioritise everybody to shut you silly women up - but I prioritise the person the changing gender particularly.

Why? Are women suddely not vulnerable? Males who identify as women suddenly are more vulnerable than actual women? Don't see a problem with penises in women's prisons? No problems at all with that? - or are we just going down Canada's route - and start handing out the morning after pill NQA ?

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/12/2019 16:45

Fekko I saw your post it wasn't rude.
But he really didn't want women's votes.

LangCleg · 03/12/2019 16:44

I've just read the thread.

Oh, Justine.

BarbaraStrozzi · 03/12/2019 16:44

My question was about ultra vires lobbying being a danger to democracy, the political process and the rule of law as it pertains to the Children Act (I cited the recent Dentons report) but MNHQ deleted it.

And yet it is such an important question. Detach this from the trans issue. Do we really want a political system where some things (any things, it doesn't matter what the issue is) can be lobbied for behind closed doors while public discussion of them is off limits?

I really recommend people read Merchants of Doubt (Amazon link in case you don't want to click). It's a fantastic book, documenting the techniques of lobbyists for big tobacco and big oil.

What it really needs is an extra chapter about what happens if you put that lobbying on steroids, by not merely doing it, but trying to suppress all discussion of the fact that it's going on (even to the extent of trying to make such discussion illegal).

Imagine if the tobacco companies had been able to use spurious arguments about privacy or commercial confidentiality to stop anyone revealing the fact that their product, when used as intended, killed about half of its users.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2019 16:39

I got deleted for throwing peanuts from the monkey gallery.

I wasn’t sweary or insulting or anything! I merely asked for clarification a few points and terminology...

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/12/2019 16:37

It's obvious that any candidate coming on here would be asked those questions so a. they should be prepared to answer the questions and b. MNHQ shouldn't be shielding them from the questions that their users want to ask.

LangCleg · 03/12/2019 16:34

Fascinating. I note that MNHQ banned too many questions on sex self ID. My question was about ultra vires lobbying being a danger to democracy, the political process and the rule of law as it pertains to the Children Act (I cited the recent Dentons report) but MNHQ deleted it. More than once.

So I don't know where the LibDems stand on the question of aggressive lobbying behind closed doors.

BarbaraStrozzi · 03/12/2019 16:28

I wonder why MN deleted comments on his answers?

Because they mentioned awkward cases like Karen White, Lisa Hauxwell, Paris Green, I'm guessing.

SutterCane · 03/12/2019 16:25

Politics and policies can often be complex and it's really important in a healthy democracy that individuals and political parties can discuss challenging issues honestly and in an informed way.

It's a bit ironic that this was his parting comment when the LD's response to GC women hasn't been to have an honest and informed discussion but to tell them they're not welcome.

GeordieTerf · 03/12/2019 16:25

As a doctor, what is his specialism?

crossandperplexed · 03/12/2019 16:24

I think there will be many more women who won't now be voting for the LibDems. His responses were disappointing and I would have expected more from a qualified medical doctor TBH.

crossandperplexed · 03/12/2019 16:22

I wonder why MN deleted comments on his answers?

GeordieTerf · 03/12/2019 16:22

He fits right in with the Lib Dems, that's for sure. Sad

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 03/12/2019 16:21

What a total fudge that was. Not surprised though.