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Dr Philip Lee, LibDem candidate shows us who he is

115 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 03/12/2019 16:20

In my opinion he didn't cover himself in glory on the issue of women's rights. His answer on prisons showed where his priorities lie. Did I misinterpret him?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3758248-Webchat-with-Dr-Phillip-Lee-LibDem-candidate-for-Wokingham-on-Tuesday-3-December-at-2pm?msgid=92040789

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 03/12/2019 17:57

The politicians always sound totally panicked on the subject of gender on those web chats.

The thing is, if you’re trying to defend a fundamentally illogical position, it’s gonna be tricky

Come to the logical side. It will clear that cognitive dissonance headache right up

Wish I’d been able to get on the chat. Would have liked to have asked about the Lib Dem’s shameful policies on prostitution

eurochick · 03/12/2019 17:43

So everyone is equal. Apart from men who want to be women who are more equal than others. Have I understood his position correctly?

The Lib Dem's really don't get it, do they. If one of the most unwoke ones can trot out such huff there is no hope for the party.

Doobigetta · 03/12/2019 17:38

That was a fine example of someone nearly splitting himself in two to avoid pissing anyone off by giving a straight answer.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 03/12/2019 17:36

It's always very clear what they will do on one side 'I'd never make a transwoman go to a man's prison - God no! that would be absolutely beyond the pale' and then "for balance" they offer some wishy washy, no substance, no detail 'blah blah, important that all voices be heard, blah blah concerns'. Like that's balance. Or like we're thick enough to think it's balance. Hmm

And the biscuit thing. Tres hilaire. Hmm

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2019 17:32

Now Wokeingham then?

ChessIsAsBoringAsCricket · 03/12/2019 17:31

I’m so disappointed. I live in Wokingham, the women around here are talking about the implications of self id. We are very concerned. We feel we have to choose either Brexit or women’s rights.

littlbrowndog · 03/12/2019 17:28

Grrrrrrrr. Snap snap grrrrr

littlbrowndog · 03/12/2019 17:28

Gender what the actual fuck is this gender nonsense that they all bleat out like a pack of stupids

littlbrowndog · 03/12/2019 17:27

Well yes merry.

No backbone there at all.

When are these so called politicians who are meant to represent women as well.

Get their fucking backbones

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 03/12/2019 17:26

“particularly the person who is changing their gender”

Standard.

merrymouse · 03/12/2019 17:10

I'm actually surprised he was prepared to discuss the issue at all. As a conservative he abstained on the gay marriage vote and this has caused a lot of controversy in the Lib Dems.

The problem is that nobody in the Lib Dems seems to appreciate that their stance on this issue is causing them problems. You can't claim to be the sensible centrist party that supports freedom of speech and talks sense on Brexit, and also refuse to acknowledge the reality of sex.

You can't ask people to abandon their usual political allegiances to defend their right to freedom of movement in Europe, if at the same time you are removing language and definitions from the EA that protect women's rights.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 03/12/2019 17:09

Politics and policies can often be complex and it's really important in a healthy democracy that individuals and political parties can discuss challenging issues honestly and in an informed way.

It's a bit ironic that this was his parting comment when the LD's response to GC women hasn't been to have an honest and informed discussion but to tell them they're not welcome.

Well and ironic in the context of him having to be robustly protected from debate in the form of questioning by MN monitors Hmm

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/12/2019 17:09

We should send HQ a box of woke cookies, they can dish them out to their hearts content.
I really wanted to put contempt Crown Blush

lionheart · 03/12/2019 17:08

'particularly the person who is changing their gender' ...

MrsSnippyPants · 03/12/2019 17:03

Exactly that OldCrone! How does he reconcile those two positions?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2019 17:00

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Germ1360 · 03/12/2019 17:00

These things are always cack. MN tell us to stop asking the same question that they haven't answered. Or they say some platitudinous guff about prioritising everyone (look up the meaning of the word: you can't prioritise everyone. Duh.). Then they bugger off. Load of shit

LangCleg · 03/12/2019 17:00

Even David Cameron (boo, hiss) warned about lobbying being the political scandal beyond all other political scandals, that will blow, way back in 2010.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7189466/David-Cameron-warns-lobbying-is-next-political-scandal.html

And yet here is prima facie evidence of it, from the horse's own mouth and about child protection - but it's a question too far for a parenting website during an election campaign?

I'm not quite sure what to do with my thoughts at the moment.

OldCrone · 03/12/2019 17:00

Thanks for starting this thread. I missed the webchat while it was live, so by the time I read it I could no longer post on it, and I really wanted to comment about the contradictions in his answers.

He said this:

Women in prison have disproportionately been victims of physical, emotional and sexual abuse both as children and as adults. Too many of them are victims themselves.

Then a couple of minutes later, this:

The point I'm making is that it would wrong to leave somebody in a male prison who is self ID-ing as a woman because they can be vulnerable to abuse... at the forefront of my mind is the security of everyone involved, particularly the person who is changing their gender

So he recognises that female prisoners are often victims of male violence, and yet he still thinks it is more important to consider the 'security' of the male person who self-identifies as a woman than the safety of the women that male person is to be incarcerated with.

What is going on in his head? Does he think women aren't actually human, or what?

crossandperplexed · 03/12/2019 16:57

There is a SNP webchat coming up. There are already some similar questions posted. I wonder if they will be deleted?

crossandperplexed · 03/12/2019 16:54

What is the point of a webchat if questions are censored?

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/12/2019 16:51

What pissed me off was as a GP I would expect him to know that plenty of TW keep their penises.
That annoys me, that he shows he just doesn't give a fuck about women and girls

theflushedzebra · 03/12/2019 16:50

They closed the thread PDQ too.

Dear Phillip, I'm sorry we've got so any harpies on mumsnet, who seem to want to talk about their rights being flushed down the toilet, and penises in women's safe spaces, and stuff - but don't worry, we've erased them. Love, MNHQ.

Hey ho. Women's spaces were nice while we had them, weren't they?

nauticant · 03/12/2019 16:47

A while back I wrote to the Lib Dem candidate for round here. I ask for comments on spousal consent, "how will your proposed changes protect the women?", on statements by leading Lib Dems that refuges should be totally open to trans women, and the aggressive behaviour by Lib Dem twitter accounts. I deliberately avoided the most problematic aspects of Lib Dems + trans in the hope of soliciting a response.

No response. This is in a constituency that for particular reasons could now be marginal and I'm being absolutely bombarded by Lib Dem stuff coming through the letterbox. Vastly more stuff than the other parties.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2019 16:46

But he really didn't want women's votes. just as well then eh?