Dr Philip Lee, LibDem candidate shows us who he is

He's a candidate for Wokingham. How apt.

Actually, I don't know this person's pronouns so maybe not he.

Hi everyone, great to be here. I'm a Mumsnet virgin, so do be gentle with me OMG

Maybe they forget that some of us actually do this type of thing for a living... it’s not just all jam making with the WI around here oh no...

MNHQ get a bit of hostess anxiety when there's a web chat on. the special rules for uppity women become even more opaque

I don't consider that my question was about gender self ID.

I can understand them not wanting the same question over and over - but I asked about a LibDem peer telling feminists they're not welcome in the LibDem Party if they son't agree with gender neutral toilets.

So linked maybe - but I'm interested by this (I think) new thing of political parties telling voters they're not welcome in their party.

For example - did Labour tell the Labour members who joined the Stop The War Campaign before the invasion of Iraq that they weren't welcome in the Party? They may have done - I genuinely don't know.

Political parties actively telling the electorate that "we don't want your vote" because you think XYZ- and I've seen this on twitter from both Lib and Lab - it seems a bit like they've forgotten the reason for taking part in an election is to get people to vote for them, and get elected!

sass'nfrass'n Dick dastardly...

Ok so it would appear that we can’t ask the same question over again (although I believe I asked 3 or 4 in the same vein only the once) or ask for them to explain non-answers because they won’t come back and others won’t want to come on and answer questions (or not).

Hope that’s clear you lot. Bunch of meanies asking a politician hot issue questions... look you could have made a politician cry...

I didn’t get an email. No idea if I’m in the last chance saloon (yet again)...

OH! So did I. Get an email.

But I did follow the bloody rules! I didn't ask a question about "gender self ID", I asked a question about lobbying!

It's not new, chaps. Women were suspended in real time for not being sufficiently deferential to Stella Creasy (who attempted to actually mislead us about adding misogyny to the monitored hate strands in her legislative amendment).

My post was reported.

I am really shocked TBH. I have been on here for over 10 years.
What on earth is going on at MNHQ?

Maybe politicians should learn to answer questions.

I’ve just had an email about my deleted question (which was about the guidance being pushed at schools by places like Stonewall, LGBT Youth Scotland etc) along with a warning about being suspended from MN if I don’t follow the rules.

Crossandperplexed yes I have. Threatened with suspension

crossandperplexed - Yes.

I posted a question that was deleted without trace too.

Isn't it the case that some prominent LibDem trans 'women' resigned in protest at him being accepted into the party?

He said:

By the same token, the women's justice system needs to be confident that someone coming in to the system has properly transitioned. Because this can take some time, it strikes me that to have a separate unit for this process to take place is a sensitive and practical option. at the forefront of my mind is the security of everyone involved, particularly the person who is changing their gender

I think what he means here is that there should be a third space for people until they have properly transitioned, and I suspect that the "particularly the person who is changing gender" bit is to alleviate criticism form people who would not accept a third space.

However, it's anybody's guess what 'properly transitioned' means.

I guess I was hoping he might have something to offer us, but apparently not. Am meeting a group of parents this evening, and more over the next week. Will make sure they are fully aware of his stance.

Unsurprisingly no answer to my question about the spousal "veto", possibly partly because I didn't have the time or will to phrase it in a suitably lick arsey way.

Has anyone else been threatened with having their account suspended for commenting AFTER the web chat finished?

I mean, it's not particularly difficult. They're so used to word salad, you could easily do it.

Yes, I understand the concerns that women have and we need to address them.

And he’s a doctor don’t you know...

He sounded like he was advocating for a third space, in prisons, originally.

But it was so wishy-washy with exhortations to be sensitive, you couldn't quite be certain.

But then he nailed it with saying that the most important people were those wishing to change their gender. Which, I seriously doubt, is women - clamouring to get into male prisons.

So he's prioritising the validation of men who want to access the women's environment, over the women who inhabit that environment. Even though he knows they are very vulnerable and 64% of whom have already been subjected to abuse.

These people have two settings.

Misogynistic or petrified.

Or both.

I was twitching at his non replies too!

I seethed at his answers. Trouble is I'd really like to find a new political home after becoming so disillusioned with Labour - but I just can't, can't, can't vote for the LDs. I thought he was utterly cowardly and patronising.

Really clear message to the Lib Dem’s on that chat: we want to vote for you, but you don’t want us

They deserve the oblivion that’s coming to them if they don’t listen

Helen Belcher has strong links with Wokingham, they have tried to become the LibDem candidate here previously, before trying their luck in chippenham.