Dr Philip Lee, LibDem candidate shows us who he is

I will be watching today's webchat with interest.

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I call xenophobia. We Scots are very sarky and black humoured...

I hope so neurotrash

So the LibDems don't just believe in gender identity they also believe in 'gender roles'??????

This all comes down to the GC 101 of the difference between sex and gender, which a Gp really should know. Bloody semantics and hurty feels.

Has @LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD survived the Kirsty Blackman deletions? I hope so.

NotAssigned Yes - He very much came across as a former-Tory who hadn't quite left his Tory roots behind, (Brexit, again), and was reeling a bit from the culture in the LibDems.

Dr Lee's brief was to keep us placated and to keep faith with the gender nonsense in the manifesto. Of course that was never going to work and goodness knows why they accepted the web chat invite. It was always going to be a no-win situation.

Of course an ex Tory and medical man does not think for a fleeting moment that men can declare themselves women and become women. But neither does he particularly care about actual women so no great loss to go along with the magical thinking claptrap.

But by god I wish some of these people would find their fucking backbone.

Brexit has done strange things to politics.

Agree. Part of me thinks if he can take John Redwood's seat good luck to him. The other part of me would be happy to see the Lib Dems do badly because that extract above about gender roles makes them sound as batshit as the Brexit Party.

The point I'm making is that it would wrong to leave somebody in a male prison who is self ID-ing as a woman because they can be vulnerable to abuse... at the forefront of my mind is the security of everyone involved, particularly the person who is changing their gender

I know it is upsetting to accept and understand they are telling us they absolutely believe and will legislate on the basis of their belief that being vulnerable to abuse is what women are for.

Dr Phillip is a Tory at heart isn't he - crossed the floor because of brexit. His Toryness did come across in that webchat.

Brexit has done strange things to politics.

I know what you mean Sirvix - everything now is a fudged a reply that is toeing the party line.

And with most (all!) the parties, the party line is somewhat blurred and far from clear.

And a lot of the standing MPs who did seem quite decent sorts, able to argue a point, and speak their minds, are leaving in droves!

It's all a right bloody mess.

And he’s a doctor don’t you know

He'll be able to practise medicine full time from 13th December.

Cos Phil hasn’t got a backbone that’s why

By the same token, the women's justice system needs to be confident that someone coming in to the system has properly transitioned. Because this can take some time,

What do you mean by 'properly transitioned?' If anyone can self ID as any gender at any given moment, why would that 'take some time?'

Why is your priority 'the person who is changing their gender' and not the hundreds of vulnerable women (as described previously by yourself) already in the prison? What about their safety and dignity?

My priority is everybody, not just one group.

Ran out of time on the webchat before I could go back to him about his response to my point above.

How can you prioritise everyone?!

The most depressing thing is how mediocre all these candidates are. No ability to properly consider a point, and argue a position with intelligence. All fudge and obfuscation. They waffle along , speaking in nice sounding little soundbites, yet never actually saying anything.
Stick your colours to a mast ! Most of that didn’t even make sense when you pick it apart. Sigh.

And FFS why can't politicians commit to a point of view.

During the webchat, for example, Dr Says-little appears to support self ID in one breath and then use the term "properly transitioned" soon after.

So which is it? What is the threshold? The proper threshold? Self ID or something else? It must be one or the other.

It can only be sensibly debated if all parties involved outline their thoughts and are accountable for what they say.

That was a fine example of someone nearly splitting himself in two to avoid pissing anyone off by giving a straight answer.

Spot on. Embarrassingly so. He said himself he was a Mumsnet virgin, surely an intelligent doctor would have done some research before the chat and could have prepared for what would very obviously be our primary topic for discussion.

Even when people sit on the fence so much their arse must hurt, there is always a moment they reveal their true colours. He gave himself away with his "particularly the person changing gender" comment.

A reminder that people born male are always priority it seems, whether or not they later identify as anything else. It's never about women's wants, needs and safety.

I was trying to find out about their policy on passports and found this on the LGBT libdems website.

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/x-gender-markers-on-passports

An increasing number of people in the UK identify as neither male nor female, or live part time in various gender roles. As well as giving people the ability to identify as they choose and not have the state impose an identity upon them, a perceived mismatch between gender roles and official ID can cause problems dealing with official organisations such as the DWP, Police or Border Agency.

So the LibDems don't just believe in gender identity they also believe in 'gender roles'??????

Blimey, that Telegraph article LangCleg

“It’s absurd that a tiny percentage of the population craft legislation that will apply to one hundred per cent of the population"

I’ve just had an email about my deleted question (which was about the guidance being pushed at schools by places like Stonewall, LGBT Youth Scotland etc) along with a warning about being suspended from MN if I don’t follow the rules.

Very cross on your behalf. This is safeguarding!

Reads like a monty python sketch.

I've just skimmed the thread and datun and lordfekko have had me in stitches! (Of the black humour type)

"Shall we talk amongst ourselves?"
"Me heckling sir, no sir, I was quite polite sir!"

I'm reminded of a quote from Bobby Robson (i think), when he was the England manager. Cameroon beat us and the interviewer asked him 'did you underestimate them?'

And Bobby replied 'no, I didn't underestimate them, but they were just a lot better than I thought they would be'.

Why do these MPs even waste our god damned time with these poxy web chat things??
Do they have such little respect for us and our legitimate concerns??

Bunch of meanies asking a politician hot issue questions... look you could have made a politician cry...

People who are looking to represent us in parliament should be able to answer hard questions. They should also have the guts to stand up for what they believe to be right, not be cowed into some sort of appeasement mode by the people who issue the most threats.

The sort of non-answers that he gave to the self-ID questions show that he either doesn't understand the issue, or he's too scared to say what he really thinks.

HQ just need to hold the line. That's all they need to do.

Because the tide is turning, and when it is all over, do they want to be held up as the shining example of allowing this discussion.

Or for people to say yeah but, of course but not really, but when you actually came down to it, the suspensions, the deletions...

I know they want to attract people to their web chats. But you can't have it both ways. And this is only going one way. They need to get on the bus.