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Accused of cherry-picking trans horror stories

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PuertoVallarta · 02/12/2019 05:42

How do you deal with people who say that pointing out transgressions by individual transwomen is like combing the news for examples of immigrants behaving badly?

I do understand this particular criticism of GC talking points.

I am quite vocal about this issue in my daily life. But sometimes I feel caught between a rock and a hard place:

“That never happens.”

“Well, Karen White...”

“You’re just picking isolated examples to paint a whole segment of the population as villains. You’re as bad as Trump in America.”

I don’t want to sound insane and obsessed as I keep rattling on, “Well, this happened, too! And another transwoman did this! And another did that!”

Heeeeeeelp meeeeeee?

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NeurotrashWarrior · 02/12/2019 07:36

And I'm also of the opinion that it makes no difference if there's a penis or not. The point - which is helpful to spell out - is that most do not get the operation.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 02/12/2019 07:30

We are talking about the removal of safeguarding. the point of safeguarding is to assume the worst. TA's insist it doesn't happen, it clearly does, here are examples. Does the person want all safeguarding removed or just to lower women and childrens, why? There were real victims hurt by this ideology are they saying the victims don't matter, why?

NeurotrashWarrior · 02/12/2019 07:24

All it takes is for one boundary to be blurred and it's a safeguarding issue.

Men who can say they're women and so claim access to women's spaces who retain a penis are smashing, let alone blurring boundaries. They don't have a right to enter a woman's space.

LongLiveThePenis · 02/12/2019 06:51

Yes, they're asking for privileges over and above the rights that everyone else has, and to be trusted with spaces where people who are generally weaker are already vulnerable.
There are safeguarding rules for anyone who wishes to work with other groups who are vulnerable, such as children or in refuges because we know there is a risk from people who are less vulnerable.

But we can't admit some trans people into the opposite sex bathroom based on criminal history and rising of offending and deny others access, so the only safe and fair way to negate the risk is to say that no one can use the opposite sex bathroom.

Hope that makes sense.

EverardDigby · 02/12/2019 06:34

Because it's not just about whether or not someone actually commits a crime, if a male followed you into a changing room or toilet you'd be on edge whether or not they were trans - that isn't the key thing about them - they are male and as a PP said they retain a male pattern of offending.

testing987654321 · 02/12/2019 06:33

I have questioned myself about this too. I can see the parallels, so what are the differences?

I suppose it's that they wouldn't suggest putting a rapist in a women's prison normally, but stating "i am a woman" gets them in.

Similarly with women's sports, perfectly nice men aren't allowed to compete against women, but ones who say "I am a woman" can.

That's the difference, that some men are asking for special privileges which the average well-behaved man doesn't get.

In comparison, a criminal immigrant is being given the same access to a country as a perfectly nice immigrant. On abusing that initial trust they would be treated similarly to a home grown criminal.

There's no way of filtering out the criminal immigrant without discriminating against the majority of decent immigrants.

We are asking that all men are treated the same, no-one is discriminated against by being treated as all other men.

Clymene · 02/12/2019 06:28

Transwomen retain male criminality patterns. Men commit nearly all murders, rapes and assaults. Women need spaces where there are no men to keep us safe

Cismyfatarse1 · 02/12/2019 06:21

Immigrants don't get access to vulnerable women. Men are not pretending to be immigrants to gain access to immigrant only spaces.

PuertoVallarta · 02/12/2019 05:44

OF COURSE I am not trying to paint any class of people as villains. That’s just what people hear. I can’t break through.

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