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I've just realised! It's the excess exclamation marks!

Lady Bunbury help guide me from rising to the annoying wee plonkers

As well as screen shots.

Coinciding with the Make more noise event.

(Sorry I've nchanged and forgot to change back)

Yes I thought this.

I think it's to pick off /ban a few more people.

I think a lot of those posters are in internet bubbles of information and believe in the common misconception that the mumsnetters are a homogenous group of women of a certain age, educational level and political view. They, therefore, underestimate us gravely.

So for those sea lions: Mumsnetters range from teenagers to senior citizens, from unemployed to over-employed and stay at home mums. We have people with vocational education, academics and people who have just started studying or started their vocational training. We have people who claim that they hardly have any education at all and we also have people who tell us they have Ph.Ds. All different races are represented here and we have people from all parts of the political spectrum. I haven't really seen any threads about religion, but I expect that we have people from all the different religions as well.

What do they hope to achieve? Is it simply time wasting? Pissing us off? Oh yeah, I know: screen shots.

It is harder to pretend it is not a war on women when the former LGB and Feminist organizations declare women's right to be anti trans.
More than anything though, I think it is the mixed sex toilets and changing rooms in schools as well as the media coverage that has increased interest.
I agree that unless they come with misogyny blazing from the off it is best to assume ignorance rather than malice.
The disingenuous will still call you names and accuse you of being patronizing but that's just another day ending in Y.

If someone believes something important, and have thought it through and are confident it's right, then they'll engage with others.

If some pretends at believing something but cant' even convince themselves, then they'll not engage.

It soon becomes obvious when they don't attempt to answer basic questions. Even if you're unsure you'd try and work out your stance rather than never ever engage with the question.
Things like "what do you believe 'trans' is?"
"Why do we have sex-segregated spaces?"

or refusal to read the Break It Down thread.

I thought ‘long live the penis’ was a joke or a paraphrase but have just found the post. Absolutely jaw dropping!

Goodness, they are busy little bees! How fun!

Ahh, of course. I'd forgotten that also the court cases were ongoing and how attempts to explain gender identity ideology in a forum of facts, evidence, and logical argument failed miserably.

Cages are being rattled. These subjects are being discussed in more mainstream media and in courts of law. People are becoming braver at speaking the truth and asking questions. And as the whole ideology is built on shaky foundations, it won’t take much shoving until it falls over.

The failure of the manifestos to do the expected TWAW #nodebate?

Labour's one must have them worried, as must the push-back in the SNP - both parties of the super-woke.

They're sure putting the effort in over the past few days, and particularly today.

Why is that? Newsnight and the two programmes on Radio 4? The failure of the manifestos to do the expected TWAW #nodebate?

(By the way, I know we're not allowed to troll-hunt, but are we allowed to sea-lion hunt?)

I think you’re ok to hunt sea lions as long as you don’t use clubs...or is that baby seals?

Hmm. Seems both species are pinnipeds. Who knew? Yeah. You’re probably ok as long as you don’t use clubs like I said before.

I've noticed more genderists, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing - it's good to debate in public.

I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt in the first instance. I think we should try to consistently post links to the 'break it down for me' thread, maybe others like 'things they said would never happen' if apt - and then, crucially, wait and see if there's evidence they've actually read that material before they post again, and don't engage if they haven't.

A thread on girls' toilets in schools being taken away was where I noticed it first.

I started to write this in a different thread but I didn't want to get deleted for troll hunting. There's a pattern. Though they may start deviating from the pattern now they've been called on it. What I wonder is whether it's just one extreme obsessive or whether a few different people have somehow all got the same playbook?

1. Faux-naive questioning.
2. Oh but why be so mean? I have no boundaries at all.
3. Here is a convenient anecdote or two, which I believe to support my position that your boundaries are stupid and pointless.
4. Trivialising and dismissing women's trauma with a near-psychopathic level of callousness.
5. Often by deflecting the conversation back to my convenient anecdote.
6. You all are now trapped in an endless loop wherein I repeatedly demonstrate my astounding inability to grasp the concept of risk management.

Repeat 4-6 ad infinitum. Another username may enter at any point in the thread and start the whole process again from step 1.

I think they're all sea-lions, to be honest. Am automatically suspicious of these posts. (By the way, I know we're not allowed to troll-hunt, but are we allowed to sea-lion hunt?)

I hate having to second-guess and try to work out whether questions are genuine

Don't worry about it. Answering them as if you assume are genuine is the best approach anyway. Even if they are being disingenuous, there will be lurkers who are genuine and who will value your explanations.

I take it as a positive sign. There is panic in the ranks.