Lush has fallen

From the times today...

‘Children as young as five should be taught about lesbian, gay and transgender issues in every subject, according to guidance issued to primary schools.

The voluntary guidance, from the campaign group Stonewall, has been launched to coincide with new relationships and sex education (RSE) lessons that will come into effect next September. Although parents will be allowed to remove their children from lessons focusing on sex, the relationships content is compulsory.’

So tell me agin why these charities/lobby groups need money and PR?

Stonewall umbrella is clear, and so wide that most people in the world end up trans according to them.

So a trans crossdresser would be eg a man who identifies as a woman but likes to dress up as a man sometimes?

Usually the reason being that they find it sexually arousing to do so?

Yes that makes sense.

But sex is not assigned at birth. It is meaningless nonsense.

"Some trans people describe themselves as crossdressers" =/= "all crossdressers are trans". It may suit your outrage to say that Stonewall are claiming this, but it isn't true.

The definition is the first part: "people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth".

lefty veggie.

yy Gibbon >> "Lush havent had any further to fall for a long long time".

I worked there for years and it's a mostly young, impressionable work force who won't rock the boat. Older people like me (and a left veggie) generally thought a lot of their schemes were going to piss people off. A lot of their products and their stance on animal testing are excellent, but they dilute it with this nonsense.

According to that link they've been doing that for a long time and one of the women has her tits out, that can't be legal workplace expectation for a cosmetics shop?

Lush getting their staff to go out on UK streets with their arses out (we all know which sex will get more trouble when doing that)

I saw that IRL, it was uncomfortable for people who passed by too. I thought maybe they were some nudist volunteers, but no it's the regular staff uk.lush.com/article/go-naked

@cuteypie
Rather than being Lush, it should be renamed Boaking.

I had no idea about

Lush getting their staff to go out on UK streets with their arses out (we all know which sex will get more trouble when doing that)
Lush encouraging customers to kiss staff (we all know which sex will get more trouble when doing that)
Lush copying peta by 'raising awareness' by showing young women being brutalised.

Conclusion.
Lush don't like women, their core market.

Everyone with even a passing interest in this knows stonewall include cross dressers under the definition.

Lush havent had any further to fall for a long long time

I mean, I know that definition is vague and includes everyone but hey, it's not our definition!

- Stonewall don't classify anyone who cross-dresses as trans

LMGTFY

From the Stonewall website www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms

Trans

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

Trans women are at a higher risk of abuse, including sexual abuse, than other women are

'Other women'? Transwomen are men who think that they are women. Women are women. HTH.

Calpol you have just proven that you understand very little about what is happening here.

Just because you do not believe it does not mean that it is not true.

How are TW at higher risk of abuse than women ?

2 women are murdered every week

86000 sexual assaults every year if I rember

1 rape every day in Uk schools

The 40% suicide statistics has been debunked as not credible

Why would you want to stop puberty in children. It’s so important
The drugs used to stop it are untested for that usage

Re the ‘born in the wrong body’ thing -

anorexics also believe there is something wrong with their body, but no one is encouraging them to keep extreme dieting and offering them NHS-funded liposuction!

So there’s no evidence then? Thought so.

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily

Nope. Mostly because the things I'm refuting don't have links to the evidence either. And the point I'm making is that you shouldn't believe all that you read on Mumsnet, and you should do your own reading elsewhere. If people do that and I'm telling "lies", then they'll find that out.

SmallCalpolFiend of course you’re going to provide the links to the evidence to back up all your —lies— comments.

Bullshit

I just want to echo what @ASimpleLampoon has said, as I think a lot of people on this site are at best misinformed when it comes to trans issues. I would be careful about taking what is said here at face value.

For example, there are a number of things stated above that I don't believe are true:

• Stonewall don't classify anyone who cross-dresses as trans
• Trans groups aren't lobbying to remove female-only spaces
• It's not that easy for children to get medical help to transition, or even delay puberty

And in the meantime:

• Trans young people are overwhelmingly likely to self-harm, and something like 40% have attempted suicide
• Trans people often do display high levels of mental illness, but these often decrease significantly when they are supported and accepted
• Trans women are at a higher risk of abuse, including sexual abuse, than other women are

I imagine that what I've said might be quite contentious to a number of people here, but if you're someone who's looking for information, then perhaps bear in mind that what you'll usually see here will be very much an extreme end of opinion. Maybe read a bit wider if you want to have a more balanced view.

Mumsnet has its uses, and can be a good resource, but for some reason hatred towards trans people is allowed (and to autistic/people with asperger's too, but that's a whole other thread)

Oh that's a new accusation. Hatred towards people with ASD? Do start a thread. I'd say the opposite actually but I'm very keen to see the "evidence"

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