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RollOnFriday - law firm writes report called "Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth"

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somebrightmorning · 29/11/2019 19:04

RollOnFriday is a satirical online magazine for solicitors.

Dentons is a very very large law firm (but I'm not impressed because I remember them when they were merely Denton Hall....)

I commend this article from RollOnFriday to you:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

and I see RollOnFriday also reported this:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lesbian-barrister-investigated-setting-lgb-group

You will like this extract:
"Critics of gender self-ID have warned that it will adversely impact women and children in many areas, including rape crisis centres, single-sex hospital wards, women’s sport and identification of discrimination. Dentons' 65-page report characterises their position in two sentences, as concerns which "normally come from women’s groups" about "female prisoners and female public toilets".

Dentons' report also describes critics of gender self-ID as 'TERFs', which began as an acronym for "trans-exclusionary radical feminists" and is understood by many of its targets as a misogynist slur.

When it was asked to comment on aspects of its report, Dentons initially offered up Atanas Politov, its Director for Pro Bono, for an interview. Then it asked for written questions in advance. When these were provided, the world's largest firm by headcount was unable to find anyone prepared to answer them, and gave a general statement instead."

My own position is that hormonal or surgical intervention on a 12 year old is prima facie child abuse and so I'm very surprised that Dentons published such a report.

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clitherow · 03/12/2019 12:21

Do you know, I just can't believe it. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion, but this car is the size of a bloody planet.

GrinitchSpinach · 03/12/2019 11:30

I hope Kirkup and other journalists really dig in to this. The document was prepared pro bono. Why? At whose request? Are there parallel strategic documents in other countries where institutional capture has taken place?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 03/12/2019 11:02

god, this is astonishing. EVERYONE needs to read this

Shock
LangCleg · 03/12/2019 10:55

And if this doesn't go some way to proving that there are forces afoot that want to isolate and strip the human being of everything that would protect them from being directly controlled by govt/corporate/bureaucratic power structures in the service of a particular ideology that incorporates but is not defined by the transgender issue, then I don't know what will.

Indeed. The new feudalism is genuinely around the next corner and we're still full of idiots going "but why can't you be nicer to the sad men?"

TimeLady · 03/12/2019 10:37

New CEO at Thomas Reuters' appointed this year

www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/antonio-zappulla/

Antonio is the founder of Openly, the world’s first global platform dedicated to coverage of LGBT+ stories with distribution to 1 billion Reuters clients daily.

In 2018, Antonio ranked first in the OUTstanding list of third sector LGBT executives published by the Financial Times. In 2017, he was named a European Young Leader by Friends of Europe. In 2016, he was awarded the Talented Young Italians Award by Italian Chamber of Commerce.

Antonio is a One Young World Ambassador and a World Economic Forum agenda contributor. He sits on the Board of OUT in Business at the London Business School.

One of the wokest of the woke

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/12/2019 10:37

It describes how activists in Ireland "have directly lobbied individual politicians and tried to keep press coverage to a minimum in order to avoid this issue”.

www.lobbying.scot/SPS/LobbyingRegister/SearchLobbyingRegister

Searching for gender under purpose of lobbying is interesting.

clitherow · 03/12/2019 10:06

This is as serious as it gets. A law firm and Reuters foundation promote an article that advocates the removal of parental rights / responsibilities and strips away the fundamental bedrock of safeguarding - the ability of parents to protect their children from influences that take advantage of a child's lack of ability to give informed consent.

And if this doesn't go some way to proving that there are forces afoot that want to isolate and strip the human being of everything that would protect them from being directly controlled by govt/corporate/bureaucratic power structures in the service of a particular ideology that incorporates but is not defined by the transgender issue, then I don't know what will.

Uncompromisingwoman · 03/12/2019 10:00

This is as serious as it gets. A law firm and Reuters foundation promote an article that advocates the removal of parental rights / responsibilities and strips away the fundamental bedrock of safeguarding - the ability of parents to protect their children from influences that take advantage of a child's lack of ability to give informed consent.

Yet how on earth can ordinary parents stand up against such powerful vested interests targeting children like this? I despair.

TimeLady · 03/12/2019 07:39

Aimee Challenor was also standing for deputy leader of the Greens at the time. Can you imagine any other politician getting off so lightly?

I'm starting to wonder how many employees are already clandestinely implementing these underhand tactics in the BBC, the Civil Service and other organisations.

Backinthecloset123 · 03/12/2019 07:31

It's exactly what happened here in NZ earlier this year. Our BDMRR (births deaths marriages relationship registration) bill had completed public consultation and was nearly finalised, then self i.d. was slipped in at that late stage. It almost went unnoticed.
Thankfully Speak Up For Woman was formed and managed to stop it going through. (Although we are basically self i.d. anyway now as far as women's spaces go).

It's so blatant. What a time to be alive. Confused

BarbaraStrozzi · 03/12/2019 07:14

Harry's judicial review got buried in the local news Lincolnshire section of the BBC website.

Floisme · 03/12/2019 07:13

It's 12 hours since I saw this and I'm still Shock. I'm sure I remember a thread about a conference where there was discussion about changing laws by stealth, but to have the chutzpah to lay it all out in writing feels like a whole new level.

Thank goodness for James Kirkup.

arethereanyusernamesleftatall · 03/12/2019 02:05

Remember the Challenor case? Barely a mention - as I seem to recall it was buried somewhere in the Coventry local news section

Yes, that's right. David Challenor got 22 (or was it 23?) years for the kidnap and rape of a 10 year old girl in his his house which was listed as the Green party HQ in Cambridge - and the BBC ran it as local news.

TimeLady · 03/12/2019 01:31

The implications of Reuters' association with this is hard to take in. Are we seriously looking at a major respected international press agency actively advocating suppressing news to prevent reasoned discussion of proposed new laws? That's way bigger than Denton's involvement.

We've already seen the way it works with the BBC. Many people have long regarded the Beeb as an impartial source of accurate reporting (my DH still does) but my eyes have been well and truly opened by the number of important stories brought to our attention on FWR that never see the light of day. What they fail to report is just as influencial as what they do.
Remember the Challenor case? Barely a mention - as I seem to recall it was buried somewhere in the Coventry local news section.

That's what's as so chilling about this report; it's already happening

Datun · 03/12/2019 00:35

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report. Increase in number of gender reassignment surgical procedures across the world will drive the growth of sex reassignment surgery market.

But here government and the tax payer pay. Which is why it's not leaping ahead at such a pace.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 02/12/2019 22:52

I think it's relevant anyway, ItsAllGoing.

mcduffy · 02/12/2019 21:43

Shock at all of this!
I do feel so much more positive now it's going mainstream.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2019 20:53

Oops wrong thread Blush

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2019 20:49

Just saw this linked on Twitter

^www.marketwatch.com/press-release/Sex-Reassignment-Surgery-Market-2018-In-Depth-Analysis-of-Industry-Share-Size-Growth-Outlook-up-to-2024-2019-01-26^

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report. Increase in number of gender reassignment surgical procedures across the world will drive the growth of sex reassignment surgery market. There has been an increase in the patients wanting to change their sex from male to female or vice versa, increasing nearly fourfold in the last decade.

A concerning number of transgender patients that have undergone gender reassignment surgeries have expressed regrets, suicidal thoughts and depression. Increase in number of sex change regret incidence will affect the growth of sex reassignment market as it will lead to decline in the number of people opting for surgical procedures

nauticant · 02/12/2019 20:20

Cost benefit analysis. They'll only switch horses when they're sure that gets them onto a winner.

To be honest, which of us are, at this time, sure that the gender identity ideology won't win?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 02/12/2019 20:13

I keep thinking "this is the moment/article where politicians wake up".

But they don't.

Why?! This is about as damning as it gets!

BarbaraStrozzi · 02/12/2019 19:22

James Kirkup is on it for the Spectator!

twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1201528681447002112

Excellent article.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/12/2019 19:21

It's interesting that it was only published this month, I'm not quite sure if it's purpose given that it has already happened in the UK.

Also wondering who the UK NGO that wanted to remain anonymous is, and why they wanted to remain anonymous...

Floisme · 02/12/2019 19:16

Yowsers.

Nothing else to add - just bumping.

somebrightmorning · 02/12/2019 18:44

Very few people would have read it. Certainly no one with any real power in the firm. Probably just one rather junior partner and some trainees/paralegals.

I rather suspect a few more are reading it now though..... the firm has disgraced itself.

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