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Radio 4 - 3.45 pm

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cwg1 · 29/11/2019 15:42

Short story thing. Of course, damn device has been playing up and trying to post for ages...

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mostlyinnocuous · 08/12/2019 23:58

Slight disappointment they chose a section which, whist powerful, was perhaps the 'easiest' and not remotely controversial. Strange, when the whole point of "Fact to Fiction" is to respond, through fiction, to an issue which is in the news right now, that neither the clip played, nor the comments about the piece, brought this out. If you only heard PotW, you might not see the link to current events.

2Rebecca · 08/12/2019 22:13

I think it's excellent it was on and am not surprised he read out that bit but if people are interested they'll listen to the whole thing. I've listened to stuff after POTW. Can't get that Smurf song out of my head now

Clymene · 08/12/2019 22:05

I listened to this walking the dog the other day and it was absolutely brilliant. So clever and concise. I have so much love and respect for all the Joans and Joannas and Jos that go before and after me. We are picking up one another's threads and carrying on. We can never rest. For every piece of rights we gain, someone is busily working away to unpick it. We must keep on mending.

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cwg1 · 08/12/2019 20:35

Oh - well done, everyone!! I knew FWR would do it Smile

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GCAcademic · 08/12/2019 20:11

On radio 4 now! Did anyone catch how Adrian Chiles introduced it?

He said it “made a big impression” and read out a couple of listeners’ comments.

Melroses · 08/12/2019 19:33

Also on POW, the idea that smoking made women feel free!!! "Why haven't we evolved better to see through these tricks of the trade" (probably a misinterpretation of evolution there)

Gaslighting with cigarette lighting there.

Melroses · 08/12/2019 19:29

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000c3g5

Pick of the week.

Melroses · 08/12/2019 19:28

Oh fuck, I was making the dinner whilst that was on and didn't listen Angry I asked for it and all - thought they had sidelined it. So pleased it was on though.

Slight disappointment they chose a section which, whist powerful, was perhaps the 'easiest' and not remotely controversial. Sadly, that was inevitable, but it was all good so I am going to listen again whilst it is still there.

When is POW repeated?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2019 19:23

Slight disappointment they chose a section which, whist powerful, was perhaps the 'easiest' and not remotely controversial.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/12/2019 18:42

:-)

Adrian Chiles likes it too!

Etinox · 08/12/2019 18:42

On radio 4 now! Did anyone catch how Adrian Chiles introduced it?

SpringFan · 08/12/2019 18:41

Its on POTW now!!
Well done us!

Manderleyagain · 03/12/2019 13:33

Just got around to listening. Bloody Brilliant!

I read somewhere that it was commissioned.

The conversation itself is like a cursed book in a horror film - sums up the problem we have had. But this is helping to lift the curse.

AllYouGoodGoodPeople · 02/12/2019 17:05

That was very well done.

LondonLass61 · 02/12/2019 11:21

Just amazing.

TheWildPlaces · 02/12/2019 11:17

I've just listened, and cried. Utterly brilliant. There is no way this would have been broadcast a year ago. We still have a long way to go here but something is shifting.

merrymouse · 02/12/2019 10:37

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!

"The young Joan read widely, kept a diary, outdid the boys in writings and mathematics at school and pictured being a scholar or a lawyer, but degrees for women were rarely and grudgingly offered. It was illegal for a woman to enter the legal profession"

Of Joanna "She did not have a bank account because she did not have her own money"

"Femaleness and maleness have changed they say, although they don't explain when and how this happened, only that it has. It was never the bodies of Joan or Joanna that made them women, it was that they identified as women".

BovaryX · 02/12/2019 10:19

One of the posters bears an image of a female mouth super glued shut

a lot of the protesters are men and Jo wonders why that is

Thank you for posting this link. What a superb piece. The fact the BBC is the forum suggests the media’s uncritical attitude to this issue is ending.....

ThePurported · 02/12/2019 09:32

Wonderful, thank you op, I would have missed this.
The image of a young man screaming in the face of women gathering to discuss women's rights in 2019
Some things never change, it seems.

PurpleCrowbar · 02/12/2019 04:25

Nice to wake up to.

Maybe the Beeb is starting to realise that we pay licence fees for Auntie, not Aunt Lydia.

Backinthecloset123 · 02/12/2019 03:41

Humble apologies.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000bs4f

Backinthecloset123 · 02/12/2019 03:40

I've searched, but where is the link to this? (Kiwi as well)

cordeliavorkosigan · 02/12/2019 02:42

I clicked through on safari on my iPad and it played fine.

I love love love the point where the gender ideology claims that it wasn’t their bodies that made the first two women women, it was their identities.
Such an effective piece. We should post the transcript. Or ask the bbc to do so, if it’s copyrighted?

SpringFan · 01/12/2019 22:08

its on BBC sounds, which doesn't need you to have a licence I think.

Flywheel · 01/12/2019 18:26

Does anyone know if the text is available. Don't have access to iPlayer

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