There seems to be something very wrong in canada

On this thread? It can't get much odder.

Ps sorry OP will officially stop derailing now

I can hardly believe some of the comments here saying feminists are “anti trans.”

If you don’t care about women being raped in prison then YOU are anti woman, wtf!?

And miss me with that “but male guards rape female prisoners so who cares if TW prisoners rape them too!” bullshit TRA-speak - sheer ignorance.

In fairness, at least Canadian victims of rape can access abortion. Female prisoners in Argentina cannot (see attached).

I lived at the very very northern end of the highway of tears. Lived up north for 30 years.
Drove the highway multiple times a year as a passenger looking in the ditches and along the tree lines as we drove to the nearest big city. 8 long hours.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/04/the-mystery-of-1000-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-in-canada/

The women who were murdered were not valued by those paid to protect them. It is that, rather than the presence of Pickton, that shows up the woman’s rights issue.

This was a Vancouver police issue, more than a systemic “Canada” issue.

Because Canada is accepting of trans people and makes efforts to include them, it means Canada is anti-women.

Actually, no. Canada swiftly moved from being inclusive to demanding women give up every single sex space and service, even when there are mixed sex alternatives.

The country didn't countenance this, and it's set up a Truth and Reconciliation committee.

I do not mean to be rude but we have a long history in the US and Canada with commissions set up to whitewash the problem which is exactly what the latest Truth and Reconciliation commission did.
White men in power cannot be reconciled to the truth about their history and their ongoing behavior, which is why the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Because Canada is accepting of trans people and makes efforts to include them, it means Canada is anti-women.

Have you seen this article? Be warned - it is upsetting. It may be unlikely the person I'm quoting will care. But if you think women are people, it's a tough read.

torontosun.com/news/national/hunter-trans-killers-baby-rapists-terrifying-female-inmates

You're not wrong.

Shame that the person who said it (me) is Scottish, then. Being a sweary lot is nothing to be ashamed of.

This thread is a mess.

Can we get the thread back on track?

Kind of like a much more polite version of how Scots react to being assumed to be English

(I'm imagining the Canadian version involves less swearing.)

This is the quote. Whether you think swearing doesn't mean an aggressive reaction is up to you (personally I think it reacting by swearing to anything as minor as being mistaken for being English would be an aggressive reaction).

Even if you think it isn't aggressive it's a lame, unthinking stereotype that a Scottish person would resort to swearing in this situation.

Who said Scottish people would respond “with aggression?” Does swearing = “aggression” over there?

I thought PP was Scottish/English heritage & being self-deprecating which (at the dire risk of introducing an ill-informed stereotype...) is a form of humour not unknown in those parts.

"What pisses me off is when a bunch of Brit's, who's ancestors created the problem in the first place, start spouting falsehoods and lies on a public forum."

Please explain how our ancestors are to blame. Our ancestors stayed right here. Perhaps you should look closer to home...

Inebriati, if you’re talking to me, this thread is in part about how Canada treats Indigenous women and I’m saying we have an odd attitude to FN people in general.

Where did you get that from this thread?

Indigenous issues are never off the political agenda or out of the media. How individual Firsts people are treated is a very different matter. As a white, left-wing Canadian with Indigenous relatives & who’s worked with Indigenous clients (using that term so as not to be outing) my observation is that an awful lot of people think they’ve got a right-on attitude but tend to pathologise FN people. Tend to approach interactions from the viewpoint that they are helping the poor FN people who will benefit from their intervention/assistance. It’s all got a bit of a patronizing smell to me. I’ve watched how white colleagues never ask FN colleagues how their weekend was, did they end up buying that new car, how’s their wife, did you watch the hockey? It’s all “so what was it like for your grandparents in residential school?” & “did you make bannock this weekend”. And it’s gets on their nerves, always being seen as a problem for white people to solve. Having white people think FN only want to talk about FN subject matter. Not being seen as a human in the same way.

There’s a lot of acknowledging we’re on the traditional ground of the people at every meeting and public event while still seeing them as other, as in need of our guidance.

It was a valid analogy. On one hand a country that be purports to be progressive and liberal.....and yet this still goes on in total contradiction to ethnic/women's rights.

I think Canadas approach to gender ideology is bad, but I'd also say it's coming from a really different place than what that report is talking about with the sterilisations. It's not really contradictory, it's a different kind of issue, a different mechanism at work.

What is really similar IMO is the way that article from the CBC was written, compared to the way they treat trans issues. They totally neglected to ask any important questions about what the circumstances were, who the women were, what the common threat that connected them all way, and what the connection between the people who were responsible was. And the way it cottoned onto the identity politics angle, and would not see anything else. It's exactly the way they report about things like the treatment of the head librarian in Toronto, or Megan Murphy, or Yaniv.

Yes, sad to see such ill-informed stereotypes on MN 😢 Surely people know that most Canadians respond with warm appreciation when mistaken for United States citizens!?

I assume your post is sarcastic but I certainly agree it is disappointing to see such ill- informed prejudices appearing.

The vast and overwhelming majority of Canadians and Scots are perfectly capable of understanding that the nuances of difference in their accents from respectively American or English accents are not obvious. Posting nonsense suggesting the Scottish reaction to such a mistake would involve aggression and swearing is just regurgitating a lazy, ill informed stereotype.

Yes, sad to see such ill-informed stereotypes on MN 😢 Surely people know that most Canadians respond with warm appreciation when mistaken for United States citizens!?

The country didn't countenance this, and it's set up a Truth and Reconciliation committee. What this has to do with trans rights I have no idea, but of course everything on the feminist board has to be trans bashing right?

It was a valid analogy. On one hand a country that be purports to be progressive and liberal.....and yet this still goes on in total contradiction to ethnic/women's rights.

cor blimey. Patriotism / Nationalism really does interfere with one's sense of humour, dunnit?

Kind of like a much more polite version of how Scots react to being assumed to be English

(I'm imagining the Canadian version involves less swearing.)

Your imagination is pretty limited but your ability to spew lazy, ill- informed stereotypes is excellent.