Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Body positive book for toddlers!

287 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 26/11/2019 12:19

Great idea - helping small children

mobile.twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1199056010520023040

Body positive book for toddlers!
OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/12/2019 18:04

If anyone can think of any other options in terms of places to donate to can they leave them here?

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/12/2019 17:58

Donating to a library is a good idea, I'm
Going through buy more for various places.

I love the drawings of dads baby carrying, and then the children doing the same!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/12/2019 17:27

Swerving the derail and getting back on topic, the book looks lovely but I don't have any children the right age to give it as a gift in my life at the moment, so I may look around to see if there's a playgroup or something similar that might be looking for donations.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/12/2019 17:26

You really like to occupy women's attention with pointless repetitive nonsense don't you? I feel like I've been roped into the "throw your sippy cup on the floor" game. But here, I'll answer your questions.

Can I gently point out that not answering the questions and therefore not getting drawn into the game is an option? When a person behaves the same way on every thread, and it's shutting down conversations and creating a lot of ill will, at a certain point it may be a good idea to just collectively decide not to engage.

Clymene · 06/12/2019 17:14

Because of Clara, I've ordered more books. Thanks Clara!

Clymene · 06/12/2019 17:09

It really isn't is it? And it's really not a good look for an author to be slagging off another author so publicly either. I'm a bit embarrassed for her.

LangCleg · 06/12/2019 17:05

Clara terrified of a book for little kids that doesn't teach them to dissociate from their bodies, with all the safeguarding risks that entails.

Not a good look, love.

Melroses · 06/12/2019 17:02

I'm blocked and I had never even heard of her before today, in spite of buying Shirley Hughes' books for all my little ones. It is surprising who uses terfblocker. Why would one bother with it unless one was out trolling twitter for TRAs?

Most people would have no use for something like that.

I'm going to buy one of Rachel's books now for any future grandchildren (or to donate) as it is lovely and just the sort of thing I would have bought.

Clymene · 06/12/2019 16:45

Clara Vulliamy uses Terfblocker. She's blocked even though I've never heard of her.

Why are people so threatened by women talking about women's rights?

vaginafetishist · 06/12/2019 16:38

I am shocked at Clara, she is Shirley Hughes' daughter, so sad.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 06/12/2019 16:02

Just such a bully, going for Rachel's work now.

I've got the book on my lap. Just picked my copies up from the post office. Will get them into local schools. There is literally no part of this book that is offensive.

Body positive book for toddlers!
popehilarious · 06/12/2019 15:36

I realise I am phobic of self-identified "authors" who use apostrophes incorrectly
Hmm

Birdsfoottrefoil · 06/12/2019 14:42

At what point shpuld Transgendertrend say “fuckit” andtake some of these organisation to court for defamation?

popehilarious · 06/12/2019 13:55

It's crazy to me that people do stuff like that. I guess it's similar to a boycott.
Fair enough if there is something in the book you disagree with - post the text and say why it's wrong.

WomanBornNotWorn · 06/12/2019 11:59

@ClaraVulliamy is running a smear campaign against the author and illustrator of the book over on Twitter.

I'm buying one and will quietly leave it in the local cafe where lots of families stop by

mobile.twitter.com/ClaraVulliamy

Body positive book for toddlers!
OP posts:
BeardedVulture · 06/12/2019 11:06

I've also bought three copies- one for my son's birthday, one for my daughter's school, and one for DS' childminder.

Cascade220 · 06/12/2019 10:09

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Uncompromisingwoman · 06/12/2019 09:58

So having cleared that up, hopefully we can now get back to discussing this charming book for children.
Good idea re the donating LangCleg. I'll be donating one to a local infant school library that I have connections with.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 06/12/2019 09:52

Thank you NeurotrashWarrior for seeing where I'm coming from.

You've summed it up really well - I don't like the way in today's society how people with disabilities are expected to be the same as able bodied people. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly. But it's like you can't express how you feel because it makes others feel uncomfortable. Instead you're expected to put on a brave face and throw yourself into life, grateful for the adaptations that are made for you. I think that's fantastic if people are truly happy doing that but I know from talking to a lot of people that many feel.as I do. They're angry, sad, railing against the unfairness and I think they should be able to express it.

I compare it to dying - some people can achieve acceptance and peace about their imminent death and others fight against it, angry that it's happening. I don't think the latter should be silenced or ignored because that is the reality of their experience.

Maybe this book isn't telling children with disabilities to accept it, to love their body and not compare it with others. Maybe it's just how other posters are describing it that makes it come across that way.

If I ever see the book I'll read it and see.

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/12/2019 09:45

And yes, that boy who likes pink, long hair, playing prams and hair dressers - there's nowt wrong with him.

And there's more children on the autism spectrum who can sometimes get into all the things associated with the opposite gender stereotype because of two main things: they are not aware of social conventions at an age when other children become very aware of peer opinions and also because there can be a large sensory processing element with clothes and likes.

Temple Grandin talks about hating dresses, hating long hair, needing to wear trousers and invented the squeeze box to help her feel at ease. (Tight clothes can help some children - 'bear hugs' are effectively like binders and are prescribed by OTs for strict timed sessions)

Other children with autism love the sensory feedback they get from soft or sparkly or colourful swishy material. And so like dresses and patterns and glitter.

These clothes are only acceptable to society if your sex fits the gender stereotype. And this message is being fed more and more. Children's clothes and toys are far more 'gendered' than ever before..

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/12/2019 09:37

I wondered why this thread kept floating to the top of FWR, but now I can see the answer

I'm not sure some people achieve what they think they're achieving with their behaviour.....

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/12/2019 09:36

I did wonder about the wheelchair tug of war - at the same time, when a child at school that I've taught has been in a wheelchair, they've been included as much as possible. And if we had a tug of war, they'd be given a safe spot.

I think what a poster here is trying to say wrt disabilities is that treating people equally does not mean treating them the same. The same as able bodied or 'neurotypical' people.

The book is not about this.

There are other children's books about this. It's a very hard concept to get across along side the prevailing approach of inclusion and equal treatment/ opportunities etc - something which I don't actually always agree is right for all children, particularly some children with autism.

I have invisible health conditions and I've found life really hard at times because my body can't do what others' can do.,

But this book is, as I said before, about how we look, the likes we like and the freedom to be who we are and do what we like without thinking our body is wrong.

It's a primer for filters and selfies and the sharing of our photos on social media and then feeling shot that we don't look the same as others or personally prefer certain clothes no one else does, accepting our differences and the differences of others. Not telling them they are wrong and must change.

The girl at secondary school who hates make up. She needs to know that that's ok. The girl who uses make up to hide her perceived 'imperfections,' and feels distressed when she doesn't feel in control of her looks and weight. She's a victim of a perfectionist judgy society. (I say this as that girl)

This is different to a personal experience of disability. And those stories need to be told too, this book isn't about that.

LangCleg · 06/12/2019 09:33

I've come to enjoy the FWR brand of filibustering. It's a kind of addiction to own goal-scoring, I think.

Anyway. I've bought three copies of this lovely book which is a refreshing counter to the awful queer theory, dysphoria-inducing shite being put out and I have donated to the local pre-school, the local primary school and the community library.

I'll be buying more in the New Year and donating them too.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 06/12/2019 09:05

Yes I will three

KatvonHostileExtremist · 06/12/2019 09:05

Is this book suitable for Sea Lions? Asking for a friend.

Lol

Spot on there I feel.

As a disgusting bigoted person who's worked across the education sector for over 20 years, I'm really looking forward to picking up my copies of this book. I'm going to take them into my local primary school. I've a good relationship with the head and I'm hoping they see the positive message!

Oh and I'm also a person who had major surgery as a child, which still effects me now. If that somehow qualifies me to comment.

Swipe left for the next trending thread