The Guardian... Blind Date 23 November

I'm betting that the next step is that Anna will be put under pressure to actively prove she is not GC. Guess how.

Some vegetarians may also choose to say that they include meat in their diet while having no intention of doing so if they feel that it may get a particularly persistent "but why not at least try some?" nuisance off their backs.

"Lesbians can be inclusive if TW if they wish."

How would one go about analysing that sentence - but without risking a strike? I wonder.

Vegetarians can be inclusive of meat in their diet, if they wish. They wouldn't actually be vegetarians - but never mind. Who cares about language and meaning?

The Equality Act is very clear on this, a person who is same sex attracted is a gay man or lesbian, people who are attracted to both sexes are bisexual.

Consent is only consent if it is informed. A person who tries to have sex by stealth is risking prosecution.

They may perceive that person as a woman.

Lesbians can be inclusive if TW if they wish

A woman who actively wants a sexual relationship with a male person is not a lesbian. Bi maybe, but not lesbian.

Interesting Fekko

Though that was before the GRA and the EA. .

Lesbians can be inclusive if TW if they wish.

How would one go about analysing that sentence - but without risking a strike? I wonder.

the Guardian have done here to enforce that female homosexuals should be inclusive of biological males,

That’s nonsense. One possibly lesbian woman went on a date with a trans woman. The Guardian hasn’t enforced anything. Lesbians can be inclusive if TW if they wish. Or not if they don’t.

Ahahahah ha. I hope they have their chequebook ready...

www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/sky-pays-contestants-transsexual-tv-show-500k/199379

Ok they had a good time, but worth remembering as a pp said they would never have set up a hetero male with a TW or put two lesbian TW together. So actually doesn’t that make the Guardian transphobic?

Anna's welcome to be sexually inclusive of however Anna sees fit. I am horribly aware of wanting to add: blink twice if you need help, as in Anna's position I might well resort to lying vigorously through my teeth and waving every virtue flag in sight to avoid being publicly hung, drawn and quartered for WrongThink or losing my job etc, the every day issues for women in modern Britain.

I am angry about the public relations job the Guardian have done here to enforce that female homosexuals should be inclusive of biological males, and have no right to know in advance that someone is biologically male because it 'doesn't matter'. Yes it fucking does, that gaslighting can get to the far side of fuck, along with males believing they can redefine womens' sexuality to suit their own selfish needs.

I think Anna’s nailed her colours to the mast with her call for donations to Mermaids. I know people mean well but there’s nothing to be gained by seeking to speak for adults who choose a certain set of beliefs. I know not everyone on here has but plenty of ‘poor Anna’, ‘only 23’, ‘had no choice’ comments. I think there are other battles to fight.

the FWR "gang"

Just to be clear, is this "gang" affiliated to the Radicalisation Portal that MN also is?

Or do we have a People's Front of Judea situation here, where we have to take sides?

In shocking news the FWR "gang" appropriates an unwilling and unsuspecting human adult to prop up their argument. Whilst speculating wildly about terms and conditions they know nothing about and suggesting that the same human adult is an unwilling and unsuspecting victim of them.

Agree with Sapphos we have no idea what Anna is thinking or how she feels about it.

Yep I didn't post on this thread as I don't agree with all the concern 'on Anna's behalf' although I can see where it comes from. Neither Anna nor Jen need to answer to anyone.

It's the wider questions that bother me (and have mainly been the focus here).
I also thought it was a bit off that Jen tweeted in a way that implied Anna was in some way not being truthful, but that's a separate issue.

Anna has made her feelings on the matter clear so it feels very uncomfortable to continue any outrage on her behalf. Feels even worse to attack her for not being 'lesbian' enough and being too 'woke'. Leave the poor woman be!

Fair point, Thatsme.

Can a brave poster email them to ask if they ask?

When I saw the glasses fog up comment it confirmed what I had already mostly clocked about Jen. I say mostly because I thought surely the Guardian wouldn't hide a glaringly important fact about one of its subjects but there you are.

This is how I see it.
If the Guardian on “application form” states that trans people may be your date, and the applicant needs to tick that that is fine. Or if there is an “option” to include trans in your potential dating pool,
Then great. All OK.

If not, then unacceptable. They might as well match a lesbian with a straight guy, (mmm) or a gay man with a woman. I’m straight. If I turned up to a blind date to find a trans man, I would feel awkward, embarrassed, and if when I was younger may even feel the need to reciprocate to an extent to avoid accusations of transphobia. I think for a lesbian, finding a trans woman could feel worse, given the levels of harassment gay women get from some straight men.

This date feels way off. The woman concerned here may have been absolutely fine with it. The reality is that if she wasn’t, she cannot express that, given the inevitable result, especially given what has already occurred. Regardless of whether this particular individual felt fine, I think, unless the Guardian seeks consent pre date, this was wrong.