The Guardian... Blind Date 23 November

We don't know what the Lesbian thinks but we do know that the transwoman has started harrassing her on twitter.

In a timely/related note, this image has been officially deemed as acceptable by FB.

Channelling my inner CJ Cregg, am I outraged? I'm barely surprised. This is a movement where women aren't allowed to own their own sex*

(* westwing.fandom.com/wiki/Enemies_Foreign_and_Domestic)

Emailing Janice Turner, Justin Webb and Woman's Hour with a link to this thread.

Also don't most situations end without a second date? I don't recall the average straight male participant being so entitled as to simply assume that a second date was to be expected, or calling the other person a bigot if it didn't.

(The "yeah well your loss" blustering otoh is 100% typical huffy rejected male behavior.)

I can't see Jen's tweets, anyone else?

^ I assume they apply with photo, so they knew.

To clarify: I assume they(the applicants) apply with photo, so they (the Guardian) knew.

They has so many applications these days!

Ok just seen Jen did not disclose being trans, however the guardian did meet them so would have known

It's possible to tell from the photo alone. I assume they apply with photo, so they knew.

There loads of blind date shows on TV, I don't think they are usually considered culpable for bad situations but if the Guardian has made two people expect different things then that is a different matter.

Once again, the least they can do is make their policy on these matters explicit.

Can I just say how funny it is that I only ever see what American TRAs refer to as "T&RF bangs" (aka a short blocky fringe) on transwomen?

I wonder what the guardians legal advisors/insurance has to say about blind date? What safeguarding measures do they put in place to protect participants from stalking, public vilification etc?

It's quite possible Anna is actually a woke young thing who is same "gender" attracted but just didn't fancy Jen, who is now smearing her as a bigot and villifying her in a nasty fit of incel rage.

It might prove an interesting wake up call for her.

We don't know what the Lesbian thinks but we do know that the transwoman has started harrassing her on twitter.

That's very true. When I read it on Sat, I assumed that because both of them used the word "queer" both of them bought into the "lesbianism is same gender attracted" ideology. It's quite possible Anna is actually a woke young thing who is same "gender" attracted but just didn't fancy Jen, who is now smearing her as a bigot and villifying her in a nasty fit of incel rage.

The absolute single mindedness of some males to circumnavigate the rejection presented by lesbians

It’s so fucking obvious.

We don't know what the Lesbian thinks but we do know that the transwoman has started harrassing her on twitter. The Giardian has helped created that situation by bowing down to the narcicist ideology that transwomen are women, by replacing sex with gender. They have lead the transwoman to believe that women would be interested in dating transwomen. They are completely and utterly responsible.

The very least they can do now is make their rules explocit.

What are their definitions of Lesbian

will they allow female. only couples

or are they Lesbophobes?

Similar questions could hypothetically apply to gay men and straight people but lets be serious, we know who they are targetting.

Was the guardian doing an experiment on Anna to see if she would notice ?

It’s terrible thing to do if she wasn’t told that her date would be a TW

Just awful.

Why would they think that is ok to do this

Hold on, but if Jen didn't disclose the fact that Jen is trans to The Guardian, at what point would the Guardian and Anna have found this out - to have been able to give Anna the choice?

I don't know how the Blind Date process works, but obviously Jen should absolutely have disclosed Jen's trans status from the start. Anna (anybody in fact) should have been given the choice before she was ever publicly identifiable. The Guardian are fully at fault for having put Anna in this awful position where she is now undeservedly shamed on the Internet by some people (and potentially threatened).

Next up should be a straight bloke and a transwoman

Next up should be one ‘lesbian’ transwoman on a blind date with another ‘lesbian’ transwoman.

is it possible that they Guardian genuinely didn't know?
I was wondering that too, because I'm really struggling to process how any half decent person could possibly think this was ok. But if they genuinely didn't know, why aren't they apologising profusely and promising to review their practices?

Poor, poor woman

The Guardian sends a lesbian on a date with a male-is it the 70’s again?

Lesbian conversion is pretty retro, like parquet flooring

When are they going to start springing surprise male bodies on dates with straight men then shaming them all over social media for baulking at lady penis, hmm? Isn’t it weird how it doesn’t play out like that? It’s almost like...almost like...women’s sexuality is fair game for men to define or something mad like that! A real head scratcher.

Isn't it just?

I don't know how these Guardian blind dates work - is it possible that they Guardian genuinely didn't know? Presume the transwoman would have given gender female, sexual orientation lesbian?

A new low for the guardian, managing to fail to clear the dizzyingly low bar for implicit homophobia and misogyny that they’ve set themselves.

When are they going to start springing surprise male bodies on dates with straight men then shaming them all over social media for baulking at lady penis, hmm? Isn’t it weird how it doesn’t play out like that? It’s almost like...almost like...women’s sexuality is fair game for men to define or something mad like that! A real head scratcher.

I saw the article at the weekend and from the photo you could see a very obvious Adam's apple- how the guardian could claim they didn't know is beyond me

This is so shocking, and so telling that they've never done any of the other possibilities here:

Trans woman, i.e. biological male, attracted to males, sent on a date with another bio male who is expecting to be paired with a bio female

Trans man, i.e. biological female, attracted to males, sent on a date with a bio male who is expecting to be paired with a gay man of the biological male variety

The one they might risk is sending a trans man, i.e. biological female, attracted to females on a date with a straight woman expecting to be paired with a biological male. Once again the straight woman would probably be unfailingly polite to avoid hurting the other person's feelings.

Jen's answers are painfully cutesy twee. So affected. It's like reading a computer trying to do manic dream pixie girl.
Absolutely shocking that the Guardian has put a woman in this position. No woman owes anyone a date. Especially not a lesbian with a male.

What else does she read that she thinks the Guardian is anywhere NEAR leading on writing stuff or reasonable about this?

She's American. They have had the occasional "balanced" article in the UK Guardian. Much to the anger of their woke US colleagues.