Newsnight now

I didn't see this but will catch up today and I read the article on BBC this morning.

Not taking anything away from EM (as she sounds informed personally and she is brave to speak up as no doubt she will get lots of shit for it) but the cynical part of me is thinking that this back pedalling from the BBC is due to them being aware of Harry and Maya' cases and thinking shit shit shit.

I do feel, personally, that the tide may be turning at long last. Reading the article my heart went out to Debbie and was a timely reminder to have sympathy for people, especially young people who have been affected by this. It's really hard not to (very selfishly) just feel vindicated after all the abuse GC women have received and the sense of relief that our voices are actually being heard.

Agree we should let the BBC know that this was a good piece and it's about time it got some critical sunlight. But it's important to leave them in no uncertain state about the vitally important use of language. The 'assigned at birth' narrative has crept in everywhere and needs to be squished.

I’ve watched and sent very positive feedback and suggested there are very many more questions to be asked.

Placemarking

Thanks ChattyLion - have sent a comment to the Beeb. I have suggested they cover the erosion of single sex spaces next and stop waffling about there being "over a hundred genders".

There's also an article on the BBC news site linked to this interview, titled 'How do I go back to the Debbie I was?'

It’s the Health Research Authority who regulate medical research in the UK, who have the power to stop research if there are problems with it. I thought HRA’s response to the previous investigation prompted by Newsnight back in July was very weak. More here:

‘Questions remain over puberty-blockers, as review clears study’
By Deborah Cohen and Hannah Barnes
BBC Newsnight, 15 October 2019
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50046579

Italian, you asked why is the LGBT+ community not asking these questions too, why are they not supporting these people who desist and de transition.

They are doing that- just not the mainstream corporate organisations. The LGB community have been told for years that their interests and identity are so aligned with trans people’s (despite ‘being trans’ not being a sexual orientation) that they should be treated as a consistent demographic together, ‘LGBTQ+‘ which has been appalling for a lot of LGB people- particularly lesbians, now being pressured to accept self identifying ‘lesbians’ with penises as sexual partners.

Hence the protests at Pride by Get the L Out followed more recently by the forming of the LGB Alliance by former founders of Stonewall and the Detransition advocacy network formed by Charlie Evans.

Just watched this. Wow. I notice that the interviewer was very keen to put out that Charlie Evans only had anecdotal evidence but didn’t question Mermaids about the basis for their evidence.

Also could have pressed Mermaids on why people might feel it difficult to speak out about detransitioning given the amount of abuse they then receive from the TRAs.

Emily Maitlis was awesome in pushing the Tavi woman. But I would have liked to have heard the question about why they don’t have more research given she’d just proudly said how long the service had been running (over 50 years for adults) and how many 10s of 1000s of people come through their doors. And the blatant admission that they don’t know why so many more girls are coming through their doors - and don’t seem inclined to find out!

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IPlayer link to Newsnight again:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3/newsnight-25112019

starts at 13.25 Until 36.00

again to Hannah Barnes and Deborah Cohen at BBC Newsnight and to Emily Maitlis for a really important interview, obviously well on top of her brief.

If you thought this was good interview please can you let the BBC know? they will be coming under huge criticism for investigating this:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments

Going to watch this today.

So let me get this right, Tavi is saying that because people come to them in distress, this is the justification for performing irreversible surgery on children?

By that twisted 'logic' do we put anorexics on a diet then because of their distress?

It's obscene.

Another question is why is the LGBT+ community not asking these questions too, why are they not supporting these people who desist and de transition.

Also, the mention is made at the end of the report that 'we don't know...' 'there is no robust research...' but hasn't there been active attempts to stop research! This is something the LGBT+ community and the medical profession needs to face up to, in my option.

Lui Asquith said 'You can't make someone be trans.' So what does that mean for these people who identify as trans and then detransition? This should be a very important question for the trans community, IMHO.

Anna Hutchinson was brilliant. Very clear and very balanced, I felt.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3/newsnight-25112019

Starts 13 minutes in.

Although they did use 'assigned at birth' a lot. The bit about Debbie says "Debbie was born a girl, assigned female at birth."

The thing is that there were so many bits that begged bigger questions, why did Debbie feel she needed to change gender to accepted in the world and what did it mean for her to become a different person.

Poor Debbie, my heart goes out to her.

Can someone pretty please share this in a format accessible outside the uk please? The 46s clip I saw on Twitter is all I can find.

I'm in Australia

EM speaks out
Good on her making waves
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/maitlis-exposes-newsnight-upskirting-ckjfb235q

Bloody bbc

Heather Peto has already tried "this shows the need for more scientists to be interviewers"

Yeah right.

Gender identity ideology laid bare. Under-researched, under-evidenced and over-medicated. That's proper science...not.

Yes, I am curious to see how they will play this. I seem to recall she did have a bit of a minor epiphany on Twitter some time ago about something to do with this, maybe a TRA excavator will find it (a suspiciously shocked retweet I think) and display it as evidence of her secret witchery all along.

Batten down the hatches Emily. I think it's probably you they'll be aiming at. You can't ask reasonable and persistent questions and not expect the mob to descend. Youare supposed to acquiesce meekly. Did you not have the training?

Best part is all the TRAs will be dying to say "she's not a real journalist!", but then, you know, Prince Andrew interview, surely even they realize how that would look.

I would love Emily to cover Maya and Harry's cases!

Very, no, me neither. Teen daughters are helpful translators. They told me what FML means and I say it most days now

(Fuck My Life, in case you're wondering)

Ok. Thanks, would never have guessed that

Oops, first one wasn't meant to be posted. Thought I'd clicked on preview!

Yoof text speak for Shake My Head.

Would someone please tell me what 'smh' means?
Thank you.