Call to action for Bravissimo customers

It does feel abit like worrying about something that can possibly happen and ignoring the stuff that does and is. I haven't seen FWR instigate a boycott of air bnb or hotels, but you are demonstrably already at risk, and a far greater risk, in these place.

Sometimes the bogey man in our imagination makes for a comfortable distraction than the monster we are already in bed with

I don’t think everyone thinks it’ll suddenly be full of weird men. Removing the female only rule means it can happen. It only takes one AGP or offender, in one shop, one time to ruin a womans day or life. Personally I’ll reduce my own risk by avoiding anywhere I feel vulnerable and don’t find satisfactory safeguards. It’s not a boycott for me. It’s me feeling safe where I’m getting undressed 🤷‍♀️

So, until there's a thread with OMG there was a man in the next cubicle at Bravissimo, I'd think it's a bit premature to boycott them.

As I posted earlier I'm not asking (again) if anything happened.
Only if anyone has ever seen any men in Bravissimo's changing rooms ever.
I'd have expected all the weirdos to have flooded them by now.
But either Bravissimo is not on their radar or Bravissimo effectively has safeguards in place, even if are not official.

There are reasons we can’t open a space like bra fitting rooms up to anyone claiming womanhood. This for example. If McDonald’s get him excited to wank, I can only imagine what they’d do in a room full of women discussing large breasts 🤢

But I'll ask again. Have there been any instances already?
Anyone with a bad experience?

You are so right ! My kids youth club has all these child protection policies and procedures in place which is so stupid when they have never employed any abusers and there have been ZERO conviction against staff and volunteers.

Same at our work, we have to wear all this PPE and do risk assessments but no one has ever been injured, let alone killed. It’s just nonsense, it inconveniences us all and costs the company money.

Health and safety is a hysterical overreaction, I think we should just wait until bad things happen to someone and then we can act. Unless it was their own fault of course.

We can explain to them ( or their bereaved family ) that they were just collateral damage in service of the greater good, I’m sure they will understand.

If nothing bad has happened yet then that means it definitely won't! Logic!

I imagine most transwomen would not be catered for by bravissimo.

Unless they wear prosthetic breasts. Which some do. Or those chicken filet things.

I didn't realise it only catered for slim women with big breasts

Because they don't.

They cater for all sizes, although those of us with smaller back sizes have fewer options.

But I'll ask again. Have there been any instances already?
Anyone with a bad experience?

I don't use Bravissimo myself because I have no need, so I didn't realise it only catered for slim women with big breasts. That seems to make it even more likely to be targeted by fetishists and creepy men. Where do bigger women go when they need a large cup size? Are we back to having to go to M&S, with their mixed sex changing rooms?

so basically you just want trans women to stay indoors and never leave their homes?

"Outside the home" now consists entirely of Bravissimo stores? I mean, it would make bra shopping very convenient to me, but where are we meant to buy food?

Bravissimo caters for women with small backs and larger breasts. This would only be achieved through large implants for males, due to their broader backs and chests.

They'd not only need large implants but also a rib cage reduction.... sounds painful

I'm actually not a customer because my back size is too big, though my cup size is well into their range. However I won't be a customer in the future if I lose weight and I won't be recommending them.

It's an interesting point though - I imagine most transwomen would not be catered for by bravissimo. The only transwoman I know was a six foot fully grown/developed male and they are a 16-18 in women's clothes. I'd be very surprised if their 'boobs' would fit a Bravissimo bra.

Few points.

Crossdressers are covered by Stonewalls trans umbrella.

Your mum is a woman.

Goodbye, then.

female Bravissimo staff member is on her own in a cubicle with an AGP male asking her to assess how some lacy number

Is this Bravissimo fitters experiences?

The hidden camera stuff, if you read about the prosecutions rarely do any feature changing rooms, and if they do the culprit seems to be a staff member not a service users. Most of the convictions I've read about involve spaces which are under the full control of the culprit, rented accommodation hotel rooms etc. Places where the culprit has time to complete the set up and control over the WIFI.

Few points

Crossdressers are not covered under eq2010

My mum had breast cancer and has implants.

This thread is pointless and basically challenges anything that women would need

I'm worrying that behaviour I have already encountered will happen when I'm half naked and vulnerable in a place that up to now I'd felt safe.

I'm not telling people not to get married, despite previous bad experience.

Has anyone reported feeling uneasy at Bravissimo yet?

Tbf, if they are directing tw to another area but don't want this in writing so as to avoid a tra pile on, I don't have much problem with that.

Oops bold fail. I got the impression they want to talk instead of email so they can try and browbeat you. The CS woman I chatted with was very emphatic about tw being directed to seperate area - but polite too.

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I emailed Bravissimo to explain why I would not be shopping there any more and I received a response saying they wanted to call me to talk it through and reassure me. I don't know why they cannot do this via email. Has anybody else received a similar response?
I have as another poster too. See upthread

there's underwear providers specifically for transwomen.

They'll need it. One of the clues that a transwoman is wearing prosthetic breasts is that they are often placed too high on the rib cage.(1) I suspect that this is partly because the bra straps aren't long enough to allow the breasts to be worn at a more natural-looking height. Just as the male skirts worn by punks and goths in the early noughties were tailored to fit the male body, so bras for transwomen should be tailored to fit male bodies. They'd fit better and be more comfortable and the shops selling them could have specially-trained staff and a chaperone system.

That thing I keep saying where we can do stuff better by acknowledging differences and accommodating them, instead of pretending we're all the same.

(1) Board monitors should note that this is an observation, not a judgement, and my suggestions would help.

Why did I get deleted? MTF trans people are male, and therefore have no place in female spaces. I didn't "misgender". They literally are biologically male.

Which words don’t I understand ?