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Head's Up. Radio 4 Women's Hour Phone-in 4th Dec

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SidJS · 25/11/2019 13:56

Women's Hour are having an election phone-in (1 and a 1/2 hour) programme on 4th Dec with the main political parties - focusing on how their manifestos will impact women.

Although the Self -ID proposals and sex-based exemptions under the EA are now being discussed more in the media, the media still in the main conflate gender and biological sex and I don't think the general public really still grasp what the proposals really mean:

As far as I can tell -

Womenhood will now have no definition
Lib Dems - any full bodied man can just out fill out a form so they can legally enter female only spaces
Labour - state that they will maintain sex-based exemptions but are fudging the issue so they might redefine sex to enable full male bodied self-ID TW to access these spaces.

We need to contact the programme so we can interrogate the politicians so that it is clear to the public the difference between sex and gender and give real life examples on how these proposed changes will lead to the wholesale REMOVAL of women's rights and protections.

My question will relate to communal changing rooms.

Currently it is illegal for full bodied males to go into female only changing rooms to watch women and girls undress and undress themselves exposing their male genitals. If this happens, a women can call the police.

Under your proposals, what will stop rapists (only males can rape), voyeurs, flashers, up-skirters, internet groomers (vast majority men) etc from exploiting the changes to legally watch women and girls undressing, and undress themselves exposing their male genitals.

Under the changes, if a woman calls the police, will she be accused of transphobia?

I need to be more succinct - but you get the point!

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Michelleoftheresistance · 04/12/2019 14:09

However this wanting to 'update' does suggest that the EA continues to have legal power that could/would thwart anti woman activist agendas.

We keep being told it's all done, dusted, in place despite the EA. But the fact the EA keeps being mentioned says, in court they know damn well the EA would thwart all this.

It needs getting into court as often as possible.

Michelleoftheresistance · 04/12/2019 14:06

Stonewall have been quite clear on what an updated EA would look like and have been pushing for a while.

Remove all references to sex and thereby end sex based rights for female people

Remove all exemptions for single sex spaces for females

Change gender reassignment to gender identity, meaning anyone, any time, any stage of transition, self ID and no boundaries at all

Heads males win, tails females lose.

ApplePenPineapplePen · 04/12/2019 11:48

No one party speaks for me, I was a floating voter, now I am voting Conservative based on the continued attitude of SNP, LibDems and Labour on this topic. I could not bear to vote for the Brexit party although Belinda spoke the most eloquently and sensibly.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 04/12/2019 11:44

the EA needs updating

WHAT?! What does this mean?! (Not shouting at you, bialy, just hugely concerned at that. It's the next step, isn't it - erase 'sex' entirely and replace with 'gender').

Luckily, I don't suppose the SNP have any prospect of 'updating' the EA.

nauticant · 04/12/2019 11:42

For some reason I completely zoned out at what the Conservative said. Did she say anything of note or was it completely empty?

Ereshkigal · 04/12/2019 11:41

What did caller Penny say? Can't listen at the moment.

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/12/2019 11:40

Be kind

My days of being kind are over. So they can Fuck off
Well done Penny Flowers

bialystockandbloom · 04/12/2019 11:37

Ah maybe it was the Brexit party candidate who was most clear, not the conservative. Yikes!

bialystockandbloom · 04/12/2019 11:35

Well - shoehorned into the last three minutes as an afterthought (as usual). LibDem: "be nice, be kind", SNP: "it's a difficult area but we're pleased to have our amended GRA coming out, and the EA needs updating", Conservative: "sympathy with dysphoric people but single sex spaces must be respected where applicable". Labour: who bloody knows? As clear as mud, just like their policy on brexit Hmm but plenty of use of 'gender' and no mention of sex.

Well done 'Penny' the caller.

NellieEllie · 04/12/2019 11:35

@Nauticant. No, me neither.

Gorse · 04/12/2019 11:34

So disappointed with the "discussion" tacked on as an afterthought. Waste of time. The biggest threat to women's status today clearly NOT a priority to WH.

NellieEllie · 04/12/2019 11:34

Lib Dem was rubbish. Trans people suffer so that’s all we need to know. “Let’s turn this around...” - ie don’t ask how to safeguard women and girls. That’s irrelevant if a trans person is about.

OldCrone · 04/12/2019 11:33

They all seemed to be scared to say anything really apart from that it was a very difficult and sensitive subject.

Why are all politicians such spineless cowards?

thecompletenonsequitur · 04/12/2019 11:32

Well that was largely 'meh'. Having missed the rest of the programme, I wasn't quite sure who was who.

nauticant · 04/12/2019 11:32

Yes, NellieEllie, she was. Couldn't dream of voting for them but it does make me think.

NellieEllie · 04/12/2019 11:31

@Burru. My thoughts too. Yikes!

Burru · 04/12/2019 11:31

Yes well done to the caller, main issues highlighted very concisely

GaraMedouar · 04/12/2019 11:31

2 rushed minutes at the end! Shame they didn't have longer to discuss it. They all seemed to be scared to say anything really apart from that it was a very difficult and sensitive subject.

nauticant · 04/12/2019 11:31

The Lib Dem lady was a robot. Laura Pidcock had actually been briefed and knew what the talking points were she needed to get across. The Brexit lady had also prepared for it. The SNP lady wants everything to change but fortunately this will lead to nothing changing.

The political parties are beginning to listen and are realising they have to be careful in what they say to the public. The issue is breaking through (in a glacial type of way).

NellieEllie · 04/12/2019 11:31

Was the only one who spoke real sense on the last q the Brexit party person? !

LilyRed · 04/12/2019 11:31

'You' being the panellists, obvs

Burru · 04/12/2019 11:31

Fuck if I heard correctly I’m going to have to vote for the brexit party?!

Was all too quick.

LilyRed · 04/12/2019 11:29

Thankyou caller, whoever you are.
You can trot out the Stonewall line, and a couple of you really have drunk the Koolaid, but some of you obviously have doubts ... keep on thinking about those doubts and concerns ...

nauticant · 04/12/2019 11:24

It's happening now. With very little time for answers. And Jane Garvey jumped in to mangle it.

thecompletenonsequitur · 04/12/2019 11:24

Ah, here it is.

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