Conservative manifesto; no mention of GRA

The Tories do not have a Dawn Butler spewing anti-woman rhetoric all over the place - that I know of that is - so that could be one reason why?

I wonder if any party members are going to raise this with Conservative HQ given that there are Tory GC voters out there. Does anyone actually know if there are many conservative GC women/supporters out there?

Are there any Tory groups to discuss Women's Rights like there are in other political parties? I see that there are at least two petitions doing the roads from two other major political parties in support of women but not from the Conservatives.. why is that exactly?

I for one am glad that they are backing away from this tbh.

Typical Tories... Start something they then can't handle i.e. the GRA reforms and then can't handle the fall out so just quietly move away from the mess they've made... wait a minute, isn't that a bit like.. Brexit?!

This is great news. We are having an impact. Keep pulling.

If this election is seen/is a choice between -

(1) Remain supporting parties (in their various shades) who will introduce self ID

Vs

(2) Right wing party who have doomed the country to austerity and will push to hard brexit but who may not introduce self ID

The huge operative word is if because I suspect very few people see it in those terms. I certainly don't.

I see it as a choice between an extremist, misogynistic, anti-semitic,
intolerant Marxist/Momentum led party and the Tories. The current set of Tories could be better (I'm thinking now fondly back to John Major whom I didn't vote for at the time) but they sure as hell aren't as awful as Corbyn, McDonnell, Butler et al

If your mind is ‘boggled’ because I have correctly pointed out that the Conservatives are not ‘right wing’ I can’t help you.

Here a few different definitions of what 'right wing' means.

"Someone with right-wing politics would have a political position that views social inequality or social stratification as natural, normal, inevitable or even desirable. They will typically defend this political position on the basis of tradition, natural law or economics. Therefore, people with right-wing politics view society having hierarchies and the inequalities that result as being the natural outcome of traditional social differences or the result of competition in market economies"

"People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized"

"Lower taxes; less regulation on businesses; reduced government spending; balanced budget"

"Right-wing populism, a political ideology that often combines laissez-faire capitalism, nationalism, ethnocentrism and anti-elitism, is sometimes described as far-right. Right-wing populism often involves appeals to the "common man" and opposition to immigration"

Wow, that does not mention gender identity at all.

Linking up civil courts and criminal courts is excellent but many domestic abuse cases do not ever come to court, particularly in Scotland where corroboration is required, and actually providing legal aid where mothers have been told by Social Services to stop contact but still end up bankrupting themselves in family court to ensure it stays stopped would be a step forward too. The system is so disjointed that linking criminal and civil proceedings, whilst a valuable step, really is only one part of it.

They actually use the word "sex"? They may have just won my vote...

I like the proposal for integrated domestic violence courts so criminal and family matters are dealt with in parallel. I think I'll be voting Tory for the first time ever, not least because my current labour MP is an awful misogynist who spouts TWAW and calls those who object bigots.

Manifestos are all about stuff you are going to do, not stuff you aren't going to do. If they don't intend to reform the GRA, there's no point at all in referring to it.

In their section on crime, they say:

"We will protect people from physical attack or harassment whether for their sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability, and expand funding for and protect places of worship. We will vigorously combat harassment and violence against all religious groups, and against LGBT people. We will ensure that those who work in countering extremism are protected from threats and intimidation. We will ban public bodies from imposing their own direct or indirect boycotts, disinvestment or sanctions campaigns against foreign countries. These undermine community cohesion."

It's notable that they list many of the protected characteristics, but not gender reassignment.

Not relevant to this debate, but that last bit is clearly aimed at stopping local authorities etc boycotting Israel.

ZuttzeVoot indeed so. Same-sex protections for women have been so far eroded as to be rather meaningless, plus we are at a stage where even stating that a woman is a biological female puts you at risk of losing your job.

Were there any reviews or policy changes after the Karen White case?

Because their 'reforms' as regards disability benefits in this country are shocking

The problem is that by ignoring the situation they are also allowing 'Stonelaw' to be implemented by default.

I will hold my nose and vote Tory

Why will you need to hold your nose?

The Conservatives aren't right wing ffs name one Right Wing policy I was a Lib Dem voter for years can't ever vote for them Corbyn would destroy the country turn us into Venezuela and they say we hadn't gone far enough so this and the fact I can't see Boris cowtowing to the TRA' s has swung me I will hold my nose and vote Tory. Employment is up austerity is over or waning if they can sort the unholy mess they've made of cleaning up the last Labour government mismanagement of our economy and NHS we are in with a chance.

I'm a Conservative member and pro-Brexit, and I consider myself slightly right of centre as a 'liberal conservative', similar to Boris.

Neither can you be helped if you truly believe their ideologies and actions are not right wing. Oh and You are not correct just because you say you are. Enjoy your Sunday :)

If your mind is ‘boggled’ because I have correctly pointed out that the Conservatives are not ‘right wing’ I can’t help you.

Brexit in itself and what it will mean for the worst off in society. It’s austerity measures. It’s approach to large corporations and taxation. Universal credit. The front lining of Rees Mogg and Priti Patel. Super centrist behaviour right. Jesus Christ. Being asked to evidence that the Tories are right wing to someone who genuinely truly believes Tory actions are more centrist than right boggles the mind. Perhaps you also consider the republicans in the USA to be “centrist”.

Presumably if it is not in the manifesto and it was not in the (pointless) Queen’s Speech, it is not on their agenda any more?
When I spoke to my Tory mp, I got the impression that they were just going to kick it into the long grass. (That was months ago) That in itself isn't good for women and children if they aren't going to tackle the way organisations are misinterpreting the EA.

I'm in a very marginal labour / conservative seat. The fact GRA reform isn't in the Tory manifesto might be enough for me to do the unimaginable and vote Tory rather than spoil my paper. I can't imagine a Boris Johnson government being pressured into GRA reform but, if it was, at least it would be possible for the House of Lords to block it.

So you can’t give one example of a ‘right wing ‘ manifesto pledge? The Conservative party in the UK has moved to the centre. The traditional distinction between the Conservatives and Labour was the former prioritized freedom over equality. The stifling of freedom of speech which is evident in two contemporary court cases shows what happens when no political party is defending that as a principled position.

First off it is not about a one off manifesto. Secondly it clearly depends on what you classify as right wing if you are arguing that the Tories are not “the right” in this country. So what are they? Are they left wing? Are they centrist? Does the UK not have right wing parties? If the UK does have right wing parties are they UKIP? Which makes Tories centrist I suppose? Which makes the Lib Dem left wing? Which makes labour far left? It is not about an emergency election manifesto which is clearly pushing through a hard brexit which was supported by more right wing than left wing people anyway. But setting brexit aside I am very curious about where - historically, ideologically, you place conservatism as a political movement and philosophy. Where do you plot conservatism on the ideological spectrum? The centre or the left? Because if conservatism is not the right surely it is either centrist or left? Which then does lead one to consider the situations of the other major parties on that soectrum