Conservative manifesto; no mention of GRA

The government set up a consultation after being lobbied/influenced by Stonewall's trans report

www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-trans-report

Stonewall was implicitly trusted back then due to its great work in the past
Justine Greening was the Minister at the time and she presumably was a strong supporter of their work herself. Nothing wrong with that.

Unfortunately it seems the all party select committee led by Maria Miller then got involved and that's where it all went wrong as they were unduly hoodwinked influenced by people with a very one-sided agenda (yes, I'm looking at you, Stephen Whittle). There were others on that committee besides Maria Miller who share the blame in this debacle.

The subsequent representations from newly formed women's groups has been heroic and I am in awe of what they've gone through and achieved, exposing the trans ideology for what it is.

The Tories appear to to have been the only ones listening though and I'm relatively happy with that.

Fwiw, I'm no fan of JRM or IDS either; like Labour, it's a broad church. But they're not in charge right now. The politician I respect most is probably Frank Field

They also don't put in their manifesto many other things they are doing that are very unpopular.

They will have to amend the GRA - Nations will have until January 2022 to put the WHO changes in place.

"It was taken out from mental health disorders because we had a better understanding that this was not actually a mental health condition, and leaving it there was causing stigma."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48448804

This GE is keeping me awake at night, hence why I'm here posting at 3am when I will be up for work in my nhs job at 7.

I'm as WC as they come, brought up in a council house in an area affected by the horrible Thatcher destruction of our industries. Was a teen leaving education at a time when my peers went from the classroom to the dole queue etc.
My DH has MS and started claiming DLA in 2005. At that time he had to fill in a new claim every 3 yrs. Fast forward to now and he has to be reassessed every year. We nearly lost our motability car in 2015. He miracously didn't need it anymore, despite having an incurable degenerative disease, according to the Tories.

I've never voted for them (or the lib dems. swung between SNP and Labour) but have considered it this time, purely because of self ID. Dont think I can do it. I just can't get past their treatment of disabled people, UC and austerity. Not to mention Brexit. So a spoilt ballot it is likely to be for me.

Totally agree with whoever said they just happen to be the party in power when the TRAs started this nightmare and that if Labour /LD were in power it would be law now. What a terrible position we women have been put in.

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision.

It's not a choice I have to make as I'm not in the UK, but I don't know that staying or not staying in the EU would weigh that heavily for me, simply because I don't see the Remain parties as doing anything long term to address the things that led to the leave vote. Which makes me think the problems will come home to roost one way or another. Nor am I convinced of the long term stability of the EU.

Something like a basic change to rights though, that could be very difficult to change once it happens, with long term consequences.

Barely matters as I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country. But this has decided my vote - Tory.

I’m a gc feminist.
I’m voting conservative this election..
End of days? No.
Just pragmatism.

thoughtless Yes, I am surprised at how women’s rights is winning for me. I think for me it is that I think it will do untold damage if Brexit doesn’t happen, though then I will be back to writing letters begging Scotland to stay!

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision

THIS I suspect is what will ultimately differentiate between those here spoiling ballots and those voting Tory. Brexit and my overwhelming desire to remain is my No 1 issue this election and ultimately we all have our own no 1 issues.

I do not agree with the ideology of the conservatives and have never voted for them and hope never to do so again. (Though I am also aghast by the current authoritarianism of labour). The Tories have had dreadful policies in the past few parliaments and we need to unravel much of what they have done, but I do not think that should be at the expense of women’s rights. The Tory manifesto is deliberately mild, with some investment. I appreciate that others may think that 4/5 years of Tories may be too long to wait to actively counter Tory policies that are having a negative effect right now, but that is the choice. Lose women’s rights now because labour get in or the Lib Dems are influential in a power sharing arrangement, or bet on the Tories sticking with their “do nothing” manifesto and spend the next four/five years fighting when there is still something to fight for. For me this is practical, not ideological.

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision.

Wasn't bedroom tax originally a Labour Idea?
Yes they first came up with the idea, then the present government brought it in.

How can a feminist vote tory?
Why not ask this question about labour or lib dems, their manifesto's trample all over women.

There has been some tactical standing down in our area so we are left with a tory/labour decision. I will NEVER vote for self ID so its conservative or not voting at all.

In the end the government ALWAYS gets in regardless of who you vote for, to paraphrase the Bonzo Dog Do Da band.

If it wasn't the Tories it would be whoever else is in power, the TRA narrative has taken over everywhere, it's a multiparty issue because all the parties have men in them who want to use the loopholes it provides.

Just look at other countries with over styles of government who have already taken up self ID.

I'm going to be judgey as hell here - how can anybody who is a feminist possibly vote conservative?

I'm almost too scared to write this (in much the same way that I'm often too scared to challenge trans ideology) but I'm someone who thinks of themself as a feminist but not a socialist. I'm one of those awful people who will be voting Conservative in a couple of weeks time. My reasoning is that I honestly believe the policies and pledges of the Tory party are way preferable to those of Labour for the working class women, men and children in the area that I live.

Whoever was in government would have been lobbied by TRAs to introduce self ID, the difference is other parties would have probably done it already. At least the Tories are having the sense to back away from it.

Would any party or group be in this current TRA hell if it hadn't been for the Tories setting up the GRA consultation in the first place... i don't think so.

The Conservatives have set something up so incredibly divisive and now people are going to vote for them as they're the most GC!

Utter respect for anyone spoiling their ballot. But to actually opt to vote conservative whilst claiming to be feminist in any way shape of form, including using GRA as reason to look past the injuries conservatism has wrecked and trying to claim they are now centrist is just not ok.

I simply cannot vote with integrity for any of them

I think a whole lot of people will be joining you in spoiling your ballot.
sometimes It is absolutely the best thing to do.

Prime Minister Corbyn?
Chancellor McDonnell?
Home Secretary Abbott?
Foreign Secretary Thornberry?
Women's Minister Butler?

That's a better option?

i like John McDonnell - but no - I'll be spoiling my ballot. I 'd love to vote Labour - but cannot for several reasons, including, of course Gender Self ID. Dawn Butler represents everything that has gone wrong with the Labour party for me. Although there are plenty of others. She's supposed to be the women's minister.

I simply cannot vote with integrity for any of them

So, I do not see how anyone can vote conservative whilst believing they have feminist, left wing or liberal values.

I'm not sure they are left wing now, at least not in it's current form, most are horrified by what it's become.

Prime Minister Corbyn?
Chancellor McDonnell?
Home Secretary Abbott?
Foreign Secretary Thornberry?
Women's Minister Butler?

That's a better option?

Actually, if Labour do win the election, I predict an internal coup with Corbyn being ousted (on health grounds) and McDonnell taking over (like Ken Livingston did on the GLC)

Sex based rights ffs

There are broadly two schools of thought opposing GRA and self ID.

1. One is the sort mumsnet comprises of perhaps, where the objections rest in fighting for sea based rights

1. The other kind (looking at UKIP votjng jn laws here) - are the likes of Richard Littlejohn, Rees Mogg or many a Daily Mail columnist. They are against “all this trans stuff” just as they have been against pretty much anything LGBTQ. My in laws are totally against TWAW but NOT because of any argument they share with so-called TERFs but because they are mini Richard Littlejohns, who hate gay people with venom, who are anti choice and who think the Tories have lost their vote as they “are too centrist”. My FIL has looked me in the eye - me a brown skinned immigrant - and said “we take in too many Indians and Pakistanis” and spouted praise for Farage. He is anti TWAW as anti TWAW one can get. FOR THE WRONG REASONS. Not over my fucking dead body are he and I on the same side.

So, I do not see how anyone can vote conservative whilst believing they have feminist, left wing or liberal values. There is no answer but political homelessness at the moment but voting for the Tories is not the answer.

Their policies and actions are awful for women, disabled folk and minorities

Cough Peter Hain Cough Remploy Centre factory closures that put thousands of disabled people out of work.

Are there any Tory groups to discuss Women's Rights like there are in other political parties?

My Tory MP told me that she is a member of a feminist group of Tory MPs. They have apparently discussed GRA reform in their group and lots of them see the problems. She rather indiscretely reeled off a whole list of GC Conservative MPs, who I won't name as none of them are publicly "out", but some of them were pretty senior.

Wasn't bedroom tax originally a Labour Idea?

No, it was a coalition 'idea', as far as I'm aware.