Andrew Marr questions Angela Rayner and Jo Swinson on SelfID and EA2010

Anyway, Rayner completely dismissed women's concerns about sharing facilities with men, and Marr inept in tackling this subject (as also posted on another thread). Seems that this issue is to women voters what immigration is to Brexit voters. Ignore it at your peril. Until this morning I was resigned to voting Labour. I just can't agree with their bullshit on this.

I don't think Swinson was being homophobic, I think she thinks the only reason for women only refuges is to keep the abusive partner out. Hence her thinking going to a transwoman partner being the same situation as a female partner. She's just missed the point by a mile.

I might be very hungover today, but wasn't Swinson saying that they would need an impact assessment if an abusive husband used selfID to get access to same refuge as wife? Or did I misunderstand what she was saying?

Swinson completely missing the point on refuges. (And apparently Mah too, didn't he comment about it sounding sensible?) It's not just about the partner of the abused woman trying to enter the refuge, it's about abused women needing recovery away from all males, however victimised themselves. How can you be so stupid as to acknowledge the need for women only refuges and not see that the same issues would be triggered by an obviously male transwoman? If it was just about keeping abusive spouses from pretending to be victims to gain access, there wouldn't be justification to have female only staff.

How many fucking times do these homophobic idiots have to have it spelt out for them?

Lesbians are women. Adult human females. Female, of the sex class that produces large, immobile gametes. They are women in exactly the same way heterosexual women like me are women. They commit crimes at the same rate as women. They behave like women. Because they are women.

XY trans people are not women. They are adult human males. Male, of the sex class that produces small, mobile gametes. They commit crimes at the same rate as other males. They behave like other males. Because they are male. Not women. Not at all. Not in any way.

Comparing homosexual women to males is homophobic. Stop it.

Dam those lesbians

What the fuck was that idiot liberal dem Swinson on about

2 women killed every week by the men that are meant to love them

And she rattles on like an idiot about lesbians

Rayner is my local MP. I met her to discuss my concerns regarding self ID. Her response was as expected
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My post about this from the other thread:

Rayner unable to voice a single word in actual support of women. When pressed: "Yes we will keep some spaces" (very grudging) and then an immediate deflection to "WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS SUICIDES EH, EH, WHAT ABOUT THEM?"

And I realise this thread's about Labour but Jo Swinson even worse: wouldn't say a single word in support of spaces unlike Raynor's grudging one phrase. Immediate deflection to "WHAT ABOUT THE LESBIAN DV PERPS, EH, EH, WHAT ABOUT THEM?"

Angela - take note: a full-throated support of the manifesto compromise might have persuaded me to vote for you. Now, there's no chance at all. And I am one of thousands. Well done, love: tell women you don't give a flying fuck about them on the country's premier political interview TV show in the middle of a general election campaign. So yes, you can fuck right off. Along with your party.