Andrew Marr questions Angela Rayner and Jo Swinson on SelfID and EA2010

Just Googled her. (Jackie Ashley) She is President of a Cambridge College. I knew her, not well IRL, and strangely my dad knew her dad, not well, IRL. Good and sensible woman.

What happened to Mrs Marr? She was good. So was her dad.

theflushedzebra. I am pretty sure that the situation in your daughters school is against the law. Please see SSAUK site for more information. i am hesitating because I’m not sure if the regulation covers changing rooms or is just toilet provision.

Similar here. I was thinking of spoiling my ballot but the Lib Dems have a chance of getting in here. Their candidate is woke as woke so I'll be holding my nose and voting for the incumbent with the aim of keeping the Lib Dems out.

I had a realisation in the shower this morning that my local Lib Dem candidate is a full-on koolaid drinking wokester (self-declared via Twitter) and I’m going to have to hold my nose and vote Labour to reduce the risk of the Lib Dem numpty getting in.

I'm tempted to write on my paper "I'm not cis and I deserve protection as do my non-cis sisters". I believe al candidates have to see each spoilt paper so some of that might go in.

If I were the BBC I might suddenly realise that there could be a Andrew Gilligan advised PM in No 10, coupled with the traditional Tory concern about BBC bias.

Time to take precautionary action.

Angela Rayner responded to the question by behaving as if Marr even asking it was disgustingly offensive and crass.

Yes, she did, and Marr wasn't having any of it!

Angela Rayner's faux "offence" at the questioning, and her appeal to sympathy - "suicide!" "imagine it was your child!" - but for many women with concerns about single sex spaces/ medically transing children - it is about our child.

My DD has an 11yr old male child - who wears boy's uniform - in her changing room at school - when she and her friends questioned this, were told "he's s girl" Seriously?! This MTF child stares at the girls while they're changing.

The trouble is that Marr's inept and ignorant grasp of these issues still allows the BBC to claim that they are giving these issues an airing

The trouble is that the BBC have had their fingers in their ears for so long, whilst at the same time publishing and broadcasting fluff the debate has gone on without them, so even their best interviewers/commentators are still far, far behind.

What I have learned from MN is that open discussion and exploring issues around it gives you a far deeper understanding of what is going on.

Hang on.

Angela R said to DJ's mum that there was such a different feel on Question Time with a predominantly male audience! So, she was presumably assuming everyone's gender! I'm deeply shocked!

I doubt Mr. Marr (or other prominent TV or radio political interviewers) are reading this site (unfortunately), but on the off-chance here is one simple question I'd love to see put to Jo Swinson:

"You have tweeted that 'trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary identities are valid'. You have also expressed support for gender self-identification. Consider then, a person who was born male, who has had no hormone or surgical treatment, and who announces that he identifies as a woman, is this person a woman and should this person be entitled to access services and spaces reserved for women?"

Now I know that the hormone and surgery stuff is a red herring. But I truly believe that the vast majority of the population are neither woke nor gender critical and we need to wake them up to what the Lib Dems and indeed Labour are proposing on this front. Most people would be horrified. Many people who haven't thought about the subject assume a transwoman to be a tortured soul who was born wrong and has had their genitals cut off.

She really has, @Whatsnewpussyhat. It's all about the men.

My MP is Angela Eagle and I reckon I'd get the same response with her

She sold her soul to the men folk Hollow.

Angela Rayner responded to the question by behaving as if Marr even asking it was disgustingly offensive and crass.

Just shitting answer it honestly Angela, you disingenuous coward.

Marr should have asked her to explain 'cis' because in my experience at least 50% of the audience would have been completely oblivious to its meaning and origin.
Agree with the previous poster, I was aghast when he thanked her for being 'very clear'.
BBC says it all.

@DJLippy That was so interesting! Thanks for posting the link. My MP is Angela Eagle and I reckon I'd get the same response with her.

Swinson as homophobic as all get out. Honestly shocked - although I why, I'm not sure - that she trotted out the lesbian DV perp trope.

Swinson can shove her 'cis' where the sun don't shine. She might identify as a walking sexist stereotype, neither I nor anyone I know in real life does. I have never met a 'cis' person.

So can’t vote Labour or Lib Dem now.
Now who do I vote for. Seriously considering spoiling my ballot.
NONE OF THE ABOVE.

I know this is mainly about Swinson and Rayner's responses - and deservedly so - but I'm curious as to why Marr didn't ask Michael Gove the same question.

The trouble is that Marr's inept and ignorant grasp of these issues still allows the BBC to claim that they are giving these issues an airing (after their years of censoring women's voices and actively promoting the anti women agenda).

I only caught Rayner's interview and that was over a lot of noise so didn't really hear about it. When she spoke about protecting single sex exemptions (in amongst talking about how oppressed trans people were), all I could think was "Madigan".

Swinson als called women. Cis women

Idiot. Am a woman not a cis woman

Idiot

Andrew Marr said JS’s reply was very clear... it was as clear as mud to me. And she said ‘cis’ How dare she.

I think Swinson was being homophobic - the whole removal of women's spaces and identity is based on homophobia and anti women rhetoric. Her problem is that some of the most extreme women haters / lesbophobic people reside in the Lib Dems and their narrative is the prominent one - anyone who challenges it is bullied out of existence..