Labour promises to keep single-sex exemptions

@Floisme

i'm pessimistic...
when self id law passed, there will be no extra time there.
what exemptions they made that include everyone.

and i feels it's like exact NHS policy.
"we strongly supports woman's place and sex segregation but
everyone can self id."

and they will keep forcing gender ideology in school and uni.

Just seen this from Labour Press Office. Very mixed messages going out. I'm assuming that some serious tribal infighting has broken out within Labour as a result of this manifesto promise.

Yes. It'll be like the early days of Corbyn all over again. They'll all be contradicting each other wherever you look.

Nobody votes for a party that does that, whatever the issue.

I despair.

Just seen this from Labour Press Office. Very mixed messages going out. I'm assuming that some serious tribal infighting has broken out within Labour as a result of this manifesto promise.

A couple more of the known trans candidates/aspiring candidates:

Emily Brothers (former candidate in Sutton and Cheam) failed to be selected for Liverpool Derby West (not an AWS):

labourlist.org/2019/11/ian-byrne-narrowly-selected-as-labours-liverpool-west-derby-candidate/

In September, Eddie Izzard was announcing his final comedy tour before committing to politics full time, stating that he would be standing in the next election. Guess he didn’t expect it to come quite so soon, because as far as I can tell, he didn’t apply for selection anywhere:

www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/sep/29/eddie-izzard-review-aspiring-mp-latest-show-brighton-dome

I did note Dawn Butler thanked everyone who submitted ideas for the manifesto. Would love to think those of us who took the time to mail had a tiny impact.

This is so patronizing. The fact that Labour thought they could trick us all highlights exactly how they think about women.

Pathetic.

Sorry the 'yup' was to Needmoresleep

Until it is 100% clear i suspect weasely words

They seem to be the masters of saying meaningless things although I am sure most politicians do that.

To me, the sneakiness is worse than anything. The ambiguity smacks of being deliberate. Otherwise why not just come out and clarify?

Yup.

I still don't know what that means.

'Discriminate against' is not the same as 'distinguish between'.

I

Flo - the fact the Labour leadership feel the need to obfuscate on this issue is a distinct victory, albeit on a long road.

I don't think James has got the clarity he thinks he has. That is carefully parsed. Labour says that single sex exemptions will be maintained. It also says that no spaces will be permitted to discriminate against trans people - which can, as easily, be interpreted as a single sex exemption space cannot discriminate against XX trans people.

I agree with JCJ on Twitter - this is evidence of the party split with everything parsed very carefully so that it can continue to wait until the wind direction of public and judicial opinion is more clear.

It's still positive in my opinion. Evidence that there is a genuine fight to be had within the party - which there is not in the Lib Dems or the Greens.

The whole plan was to get all this through under the radar, EVERYDAY more and more the the public are becoming informed.

Kirkup = clear and succinct.

James Kirkup is a very clever guy but I think the only people who can explain what was meant are the party leadership. I imagine they will do their best to avoid doing so but I still think it's significant.

It's not that long ago that (if I recall correctly) Corbyn was telling Stonewall that Labour would abolish the exemptions. The TWAW lobby did not expect this and that is why they are fizzing.

It's also not that long ago that the TWAW lobby were patting us on the head and telling us that we didn't need to worry cos exemptions. Now they've been smoked out. They will have to stand up and say what we knew all along.

I know it's not a winning goal but I see it as a penalty that might just take us into extra time.

Labour know exactly what they are doing with this.

Is discrimination when you can't prove there's a need?

How utterly deceitful. Pretending that they are going to uphold and enforce the single sex exemptions, when in fact they are effectively removing them.

James Kirkup has got an answer
twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1197840966721441792?s=21
“Labour HQ says: “The Equality Act will continue to allow for separate and single-sex services, providing that such treatment by a provider is justified, but no spaces will be permitted to discriminate against trans people.”

Rename this false title. Labour are trying to mislead us and face both ways just like they do with Brexit. They don't seem capable of being straight about a single policy!

John McDonnell is the power behind the manifesto. He is not woke, indeed he might well be GC but too careful to let on.

Yes, concur. There is no way in creation John McDonnell is pomo-addled. Neither is he stupid. He's almost certainly "GC". However, he's got his priorities - not women - and he'll do an "after the revolution, love" if it suits him.

I imagine Dawn Butler will be feeling the heat right now. Her allies had high expectations and she hasn't delivered. They won't be happy with her. I'm not inclined to take much notice of anything she says over the next few days. It's the senior leadership I'm watching.

Yep. I bet the pomo-tastic Labour MPs (hello Stella, hello Wes, hello et al) are kicking themselves that they put sticking it to Corbyn over manoeuvring themselves into key shadow positions. Now they're left with Dawn the Not Terribly Bright speaking for them! Serves them right.

They are doing exactly the same on this as they are on many other issues

Brexit is a pretty good example.

Corbyn and McDonnell have waited a long time to a chance to deliver their social and economic priorities. And to give him his due McDonnell is being clear on what these are. Vote for Labour if you like the sound of what they are saying they will deliver, which might be summarised as "tax the rich to fund the poor", and don't if you don't. As for the rest. A Labour government might be too busy to think about other things, as they will want to move fast to implement the economic part of their manifesto. As for women, I don't think Corbyn or McDonnell care. They will be thrown under the bus if politically expedient. Equally the TRAs might find themselves out in the cold.

Yup. I don't think we should underestimate how pissed off the TWAW lobby are going to be with her (DB). I'm expecting her to say all kinds of stuff to pacify them but unless, the leadership back her up, then I think it's pretty meaningless.

I reckon DB’s inbox is full of shrill TRA abuse today.