I'm loving Catilyn Jenner but..

I watched a TV interview with Jenner yesterday - and on the topic of sport they mentioned that they thought it " should be carefully monitored" and on an " individual basis", and that they thought the "Olympic committee had it about right".

CJ is probably a huge icon in the trans world and wouldn't want to risk being cast out. They do turn on their own pretty quickly.

do enjoy a bit of reality TV - as it can be very instructive re: the human condition

That's hilarious! You do realize that reality TV is scripted, right? That conflict is chosen and often fabricated and not organic? That heavy editing completely reenvisions any organic interactions curated for the intended audience? That they reshoot scenes like any other show?

If you think anything on reality TV is remotely genuine I have a bridge to sell you on Mars; any takers?

She’s had gender reassignment surgery. Nope.
Most of the time when they say this they mean breast implants and facial feminization surgery. Jenner has said many times that they are not yet ready to have genital reconfiguration surgery.

I would appreciate it if the OP would ask to have this moved to Telly addicts where celebrity praise threads belong.

I think it’s always worth remembering that the fight for women’s rights isn’t personal.

Personally my XX chromosomes take all of this misappropriation and random labelling very personally, the fight for women's rights is in fact nothing but personal.

All the other stuff mentioned in that article are included in someone saying they have had GRA.
As well as a boob job, she had a brow lift, jawbone shave, a tracheal shave and facial feminisation surgery
There are also different types of "bottom" surgery.

When did that change? Online GRS still says the testicles and penis are removed and the urethra shortened to create a functional vagina that can feel sensation ??

Anyway, she wrote that she’s had the surgery as she was fed up of having to ‘tuck it in all the time’ so I’m pretty sure we all know what that means...

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/im-celeb-star-caitlyn-jenners-20879863.amp

(There’s more sources online, this was the first one I saw)

Sorry littlelamp, but what do you mean by gender reassignment surgery?
If you are assuming that this surgery always (or even, often) includes a form of castration, you would be wrong.

She’s had gender reassignment surgery.

Caitlin may not be a biological woman, but she certainly doesn’t appear to have escaped the berating of appearances that woman tirelessly face.

I think it’s always worth remembering that the fight for women’s rights isn’t personal.

for most M to F

The long routine of hair and make-up etc is the way that person 'works' themselves into role. Assuming poses, postures, mannerisms etc associated with femininity does not come naturally; and as soon as conscious effort slips, the masculine soon re-asserts itself

Of course that can be true of women too - but women don't slip into ingrained masculinity so much as their natural selves.

'Being a woman' for most T to F is pretty hard work, and takes a lot of concentrated & very self conscious effort.

Tinsel I feel like I'm on Telly Addicts or Style & Beauty right now.. confused

I've never been on those threads/forums but do enjoy a bit of reality TV - as it can be very instructive re: the human condition.

Tinsel I feel like I'm on Telly Addicts or Style & Beauty right now..

No, she, or you, doesn't have to do it to be a woman

After much observation I would say that part of the reason for the extra time to get ready, is because the natural instincts and habitual responses have to be studiously and very consciously overcome.

The long routine of hair and make-up etc is the way that person 'works' themselves into role. Assuming poses, postures, mannerisms etc associated with femininity does not come naturally; and as soon as conscious effort slips, the masculine soon re-asserts itself.

Are you coming back OP?

I don't understand why you started a thread on FWR about a transwoman with an "amazing figure" 🤔 and makeup and haven't returned to discuss.

You know who's got the true measure of CJ? South Park, that's who.

I think this thread is being moderated as if it is in Telly Addicts, not FWR and I can't decide if that's a good or a bad thing.

feel womanly

I feel womanly all the time, what with being a woman. Strangely I do less grooming than my male partner, he chooses to shave as well as doing the same hygiene routine as me.

I was wondering if anyone has asked Jenner how she feels about transwomen competing in women's sport? As a former very high-profile athlete, I'm curious to know her opinion

I watched a TV interview with Jenner yesterday - and on the topic of sport they mentioned that they thought it " should be carefully monitored" and on an " individual basis", and that they thought the "Olympic committee had it about right".

Have to say I was disappointed, because up until that point I thought Jenner had been frank and honest, and aware that they were not really a woman.

That's not being a woman though that's being feminine. Totally different

This. Being a woman means that you are a biological adult human female. Nothing else.

Being a woman means different things to every woman. To some women, taking extra care on their appearance and grooming makes them feel womanly.

That's not being a woman though that's being feminine. Totally different

she is definitely more gorgeous than me and her figure is amazing

The fuck? Does nobody remember how bizarre they had started looking before coming out as trans? The weird turtle face, too much filler and Botox look with obvious hair plugs that looked so weird. Caitlin is a simulacrum of a woman forged from a 70 year old male body through surgery. That figure is sculpted by fat removal and injections, silicone and drugs. Nothing gorgeous about that. Sad, not gorgeous.

Being a woman and feeling womanly are not the same categories. Feeling womanly presumably means feeling feminine which has little to do with what you actually are

Being a woman means different things to every woman. To some women, taking extra care on their appearance and grooming makes them feel womanly.