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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 08:45

Court case today.

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ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 22/11/2019 19:28

I live in a part of London with a huge Victorian philanthropic heritage

I'm in small town Scotland and could say the same, and that zeitgeist lasted well into the 20th century.

Liberalism as it existed seems to have completely lost its way somewhere along the line.

nauticant · 22/11/2019 18:59

Fast fingers having the Friday feeling!

NonnyMouse1337 · 22/11/2019 18:56

Snap! nauticant

NonnyMouse1337 · 22/11/2019 18:56

RuffleCrow reminds me of the scene in Yes, Prime Minister...

Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

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RuffleCrow · 22/11/2019 18:56

That's it @nauticant! Thanks Grin

Needmoresleep · 22/11/2019 18:52

I live in a part of London with a huge Victorian philanthropic heritage. Ragged schools, public libraries, new model housing, Bazelgette sewers, public parks, great teaching hospitals and so on. Octavia Hill et al were social reformers. They did and contributed, and effected real change, both physical and legal. I doubt they would feel any sympathy or comradeship with the current LibDems. Nor vice versa.

nauticant · 22/11/2019 18:50

This is the quote RuffleCrow:

PM Hacker: "Don't tell me about the press, I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is."
Sir Humphrey: "...Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?"
Bernard interjects: "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Conflict_of_Interest#Quote

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 22/11/2019 18:43

"Freedoms fought for in a dozen wars are stolen away with impossible ease"

RuffleCrow · 22/11/2019 18:42

I can't remember which comedian said it but there's a quote about how the torygraph only really thinks of itself as being read by those in power - therefore it's a great way to find out what's really going on.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 22/11/2019 18:37

Stop it Destinysdaughter! The saposexuals on here are excited enough as it is. Grin

Destinysdaughter · 22/11/2019 18:28

People may have already seen this, but I hadn't. It's the career resume of our favourite judge. Wow!

Julian grew up on a council estate in Manchester and attended the local comprehensive school. He studied mathematics at Oxford University; one of the first generation of his family to attend university. Julian initially intended to be a mathematician but was inspired to become a barrister after spending the summer of 1990 as a volunteer paralegal with death row prisoners in Oklahoma. Julian was called to the Bar in 1994 and was appointed as a Queen’s Counsel in 2011. He specialised in complex criminal law, extradition, human rights law, public law and media law. During his career Julian appeared in numerous significant cases including: the Pinochet extradition case; the Siôn Jenkins murder case; the Dewani 'honeymoon murder' extradition case; the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes; and the MPs' expenses prosecutions. He was also one of the counsel team that brought a number of constitutional appeals in the Privy Council which resulted in restrictions on the death penalty in the Caribbean. Julian has written a number of legal books and is the co-author of the extradition textbook ‘Nicholls, Montgomery and Knowles’. He was appointed as a Recorder in 2009 and as Deputy High Court judge in 2017.

thatdamnwoman · 22/11/2019 18:17

Yes, LangCleg, and the fact that Labour hasn't noticed this has really freaked me out. How aware and how clever can they really be if they can't see this?

LangCleg · 22/11/2019 17:48

I also think a lot of what was taken as being left-wing in the past, is different from modern leftist discourse.

Same here. What passes for leftist thought is as subject to colonisation by not-leftist thought as the female sex is. Genderism is LARPing as left when actually it's an ultra-libertarian, hyper-capitalist ideology conferring more structural power on those already endowed with it.

Coyoacan · 22/11/2019 16:47

I've come to the conclusion that age and experience and running a business and so on have made me much more pragmatic and grounded and willing to consider more centrist solutions than when I was younger

I also think a lot of what was taken as being left-wing in the past, is different from modern leftist discourse.

Following from afar, I love the Labour manifesto but am really concerned about their borrowing plans too. Here in Mexico, the president has implemented an austerity programme aimed at cutting out a lot of middle men, lowering top government salaries and combatting corruption, while at the same building up a miniscule bur previously absent system of financial support for the poor. Different realities from one country to another, but I am so glad he is doing all that without getting the country further into debt.

ScapaFlo · 22/11/2019 16:14

Friends used to scoff at me for reading the Telegraph but I love the crossword (and the letters). I remember the advertising billboards saying 'Hard news and an infernal crossword'.

I've gone over to The Times recently because of the GC coverage but there's no reason I can't do both. I can't finish The Times crossword often.

LangCleg · 22/11/2019 16:12

I feel like I was doing an actual service

Not feel like. Were!

Thank you.

GenderfreeJoe · 22/11/2019 16:02

Thank you Camberwell ♥️

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 22/11/2019 15:01

Thank you Camberwell!

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 22/11/2019 14:53

CamberwellMcGee there was nothing tiny about your effort. What you did was a huge part of helping shine a light. It really is appreciated.

GrinitchSpinach · 22/11/2019 14:39

Thanks for your efforts, Camberwell!

CamberwellMcGee · 22/11/2019 14:22

I've just caught up with this thread! I was one of the other (non FairCop) live tweeters yesterday and Weds and it's been great to look over the reactions on here (and to see some of my tweets quoted, I feel like I was doing an actual service as a tiny part of the effort, even if it was partly gif-based...)

I'm a regular Mumsnetter too but don't want to out myself (NC here) as I tweet under my real name and basically bare my soul on here!

thatdamnwoman · 22/11/2019 14:15

Thank you, Nonny. I've been really struggling with the fact that I seem to have slid from being staunchly on the left to someone who is reading stuff in the Telegraph that I agree with. I've come to the conclusion that age and experience and running a business and so on have made me much more pragmatic and grounded and willing to consider more centrist solutions than when I was younger. Which is why I'm currently looking at Labour's borrowing plans, as well as their transgender policy, and wondering whether this is really a good idea – particularly if we're going to leave Europe.

Packing, your contribution has really hit home too. Yes, critical thinking and pragmatism can lead one to unexpected conclusions.

BarbaraStrozzi · 22/11/2019 13:46

The prejudice against the DT is misplaced I feel (OK shoot me now).
It has pretty much always been a defender of free speech, far more so than the Guardian.

Me too, BiologyIsReal. I took out. Telegraph sub after Trump's election, as a purposeful "step outside my bubble" move; so many of my US friends seemed to have been completely blindsided by his election, and I didn't want to lose touch with what the other side was thinking and be caught on the hop in a similar way.

It's a surprising newspaper in many ways - regular columns by Julie Bindel and Joan Smith, excellent coverage of women's sports, initiatives for women in business, their deputy editor is a remainer (and most of their cartoonists, I suspect), and they carry a much wider range of political opinions than the Guardian.

Okay, there are downsides - the hagiography of Boris Johnson and the occasional article by Garage, but as you say, it doesn't live down to its stereotype.

BovaryX · 22/11/2019 13:42

Will this policy have the positive effect we want? Is there a possibility that this policy will have a detrimental effect?

This. I think that last question is particularly significant. Because even asking it in certain forums is enough to be denounced. I am thinking of Guardian comments....

packingsoapandwater · 22/11/2019 13:38

The "side" of the media that used to call me a "bleeding-heart" is now the side I see reporting more accurately on women's rights.

I now realise that, twenty years ago, I was a "bleeding-heart." It took two decades of life experience and involvement in the guts of community and local politics to make me realise that things were never easy or simple.

Because if solving a problem was easy and simple, it would have already been done.

I used to be perceived as a radical left-winger, which goes to show what the hard left is like. But here's the rub. If you are a pragmatic, practical person of the left, now matter how radical you are, you inevitably use a similar style of mental processing to those on the right by virtue of the fact that you ask three questions: how can this objective be realistically achieved? Will this policy have the positive effect we want? Is there a possibility that this policy will have a detrimental effect?

Asking those questions automatically puts you in the same field as those on the right in the eyes of a lot of the left , and is pretty much the downfall of the left in Britain.

I'm afraid to say that gender ideology is the first time many people will have actually faced a political phenomenon that directly affects them and where it has become apparent that few in the current political sphere have bothered to ask those three questions.

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