Good luck Harry The Owl

Yeh, makes no sense at all. If you report a burglary, you are reporting an ACTUAL CRIME that has already been committed.

A hate incident is a non crime that they are presuming might escalate. Bollocks. Minority report.

No wonder people are afraid to speak out. Imagine being recorded for a "hate incident" for liking a tweet etc. So sinister.

It was Nazir Afzal not being on top of the issue he was there to discuss and coming out with something to sound intelligent. It was effectively misdirection.

Good luck Harry.

People's lives cannot be affected, by the police of this country, simply by someone picking up the phone and making a wholly unsubstantiated, unevidenced accusation of something that does not even break the law .

I'd say that way madness lies, but the madness is right here, happening and it's an appalling fact that it has been allowed. Along with multiple other appalling things on government watch in the last five years. Muppets.

So a "hate incident" is like reporting a burglary? Is reporting a burglary a bad thing then? It's arguably a pointless thing at the moment with the police spending most of their limited resources on questioning people about Twitter comments...

I'm using this twitter search to follow what's going on:

mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22fair%20cop%22%20OR%20wearefaircop%20OR%20faircopjr%20OR%20(harry%20miller)%20OR%20(harry%20the%20owl)&src=typed_query&f=live

He compared a hate incident to reporting a burglary, and a hate crime to the burglary itself? I'm usually quite good at analogies, but I can't get to where that makes any sense at all.

I mean, it sounds like that would mean reporting a burglary was an aggravating terrible thing that should be discouraged, lest it lead on to an escalation... of reporting a murder, perhaps?

Odd.

And it's a full house apparently.

It's started.

Good luck Harry.

Good luck Harry

Good luck Harry!

Did Nazir actually say this:

"There's a significant difference between a hate incident and a hate crime, in the same way that reporting a burglary is not the same thing as a burglary itself"

That makes no sense.

If they are allowed to it'll be.
mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/FairCopJR?src=hashtag_click

Go Harry!

If anyone knows if/where this is being live-tweeted, please put a link up thanks

Yes it’s a good point that there’s no outcome for the accused with hate incidents. Hate crime you could be absolved or not but these incidents it makes you look guilty immediately. Is there even an investigation?

I see the point in gathering intelligence but but there needs to be clear direction around the conflict with the HRAct

Good luck Harry. It cannot be right that a hate incident, or wrongthink, is noted on your record and can be revealed in an enhanced DBS check, with absolutely zero evidence.

Anyone with an axe to grind will simply report you as having committed one. Or three. Or get their mates to report.

It's nonsensical and utterly abusive.

Today Programme at around 2:52:00

A 'Hate Incident' is a complaint, with no requirements for any evidence. "He looked at me in a funny way because I am a minority..."

It is another manifestation of the misbegotten post-Scarman policy of 'victims must be believed.'

Good luck.

Good luck today Harry.

Heard you on the Today programme and thought you did very well in the very short segment. Rather than throwing in loads of stuff you focused on hate incidents being non-crimes that can have long term effects of the accused, without there being any due process.

It was probably missed by many but Nazir Afzal, the expert, was uninformed about what he was supposed to be commenting on. I was particularly unimpressed that about the only thing he had to say was "because Stephen Lawrence, recording hate incidents is great".

Good luck, Harry. I hope someone will be able to live tweet this for those of us who support you but can’t be there in person.

Another very important case.

Good luck Harry.

Nazir put “hate incIdent” in the context of Stephen Lawrence and the police not recording any incidents. Incidents seen as precursor to crime. Harry making very clear that people free to express views up to the point where it becomes a crime. Police, in recording this on the dbs as an “offence” which is labelled “trans hate” acting as a quango, as though they ARE the law.

Good luck, Harry!

Justin was good. Other guy saying hate incidents need to be taken seriously as can be precursor to hate crime.
Justin, says quickly, winding up, “but not in this case”.
Good interview. Argument put out there really well re enhanced dbs check. The other guy (Nasrin?) conceded that if something like this does go on the dbs then “needs to be dealt with”.