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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 11:16

Judge - Freedom means the right to be told what we do not wish to hear. This is jurisprudence of ECtHR and the US Supreme Court

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/11/2019 11:16

Which is also why twitter etc allow males to threaten females with rape and incite violence, yet we can't mention biological facts

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 11:14

These are excellent tweets, by the way. The argument is clear and well presented.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/11/2019 11:13

Under that policy what's to stop anyone making a completely false report just to get back at someone they have a grudge against?

BlackeyedSusan · 20/11/2019 11:13

Oo MrsSnippyPants...

Well done.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/11/2019 11:12

Can I ask a stupid question? If it's possible to commit a hate crime even when there's no victim with a limerick, doesn't that mean that all the "Die in a fire" and other nasty tweets about GC women in general are also hate crimes when they're not directed at anyone in particular?

Even if it was directed to a particular woman or even every woman it wouldn't be classed as a hate crime or incident as we are the only protected chatacteristic not covered under these laws.
Making misogyny a hate crime is will never happen as it is constant and everywhere.
The only reason certain parties are pushing it to be made a crime are so it can be used by penis havers.

BovaryX · 20/11/2019 11:12

Judge repeats this. So even if no objective evidence of hate, if a subjective report received it must be reported - Counsel - these are the plain words of the policy. Judge - I will have to hear from the police about this. #FairCopJR

No objective evidence of hate yet it’s still a crime? These are frightening times. Good luck Harry.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/11/2019 11:10

Heard the report on R4. Harry did well. The burglary thing from the other guy ( male sounding voice) was weird and made no sense.

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 11:10

Slightly amused at the Judge getting to grips with the er, 'relaxed ettiquette' of social media. Imagine if he came to site called 'Mumsnet' and witnessed the argybargy here

MrsSnippyPants · 20/11/2019 11:08

I’m in court. Full house had to wait for someone to leave.

PurpleHoodie · 20/11/2019 11:08

The thing is.

If TRAs (and MRAs) get their way on this, won't many of them then have records for anti-homosexual/homophobic/lesphobic/racist/anti-religious outbursts on AND offline?

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 11:07

Can I ask a stupid question? If it's possible to commit a hate crime even when there's no victim with a limerick, doesn't that mean that all the "Die in a fire" and other nasty tweets about GC women in general are also hate crimes when they're not directed at anyone in particular?

Is the public gallery full, BTW?

Yes it's full apparently.

And no, Against women is okay as hate crime law does actually include sex.
CPS site here lists disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 11:07

Oooh. Reading these tweets, the judge, despite saying he's only recently discovered Twitter, has grasped the issue pretty bloody quickly.

CaveMum · 20/11/2019 11:05

Stoat yes WAFC tweeted to say the gallery was full.

Datun · 20/11/2019 11:05

I do hope that the judge can say that taking the piss out of something is not evidence of hate.

If it was, I'd hate almost all my friends and certainly my family, and very definitely DH.

teawamutu · 20/11/2019 11:05

Judge is pretty young - 50 at most.

PurpleHoodie · 20/11/2019 11:05

Good luck.

nauticant · 20/11/2019 11:03

Yes:

mobile.twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1197107239741472768

Judge repeats this. So even if no objective evidence of hate, if a subjective report received it must be reported - Counsel - these are the plain words of the policy. Judge - I will have to hear from the police about this. #FairCopJR

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 11:02

I looks like the Judge immediately understands the problem.

nauticant · 20/11/2019 11:00

The judge is thinking properly about this:

mobile.twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1197106801629634566

Judge - but how can it be a hate incident if no hate established - Counsel. That is our point. It is plainly disproportionate. Judge - does it mean that someone reads someone. Reasonable reader wouldn't see it as hostile. But someone does and reports it. Should it be recorded?

StoatofDisarray · 20/11/2019 10:59

Can I ask a stupid question? If it's possible to commit a hate crime even when there's no victim with a limerick, doesn't that mean that all the "Die in a fire" and other nasty tweets about GC women in general are also hate crimes when they're not directed at anyone in particular?

Is the public gallery full, BTW?

teawamutu · 20/11/2019 10:59

Do we know how long the case is meant to last, and when the judgment would be delivered?

CaveMum · 20/11/2019 10:51

WAFC are live tweeting here: twitter.com/wearefaircop/status/1197097643622699008?s=21

Judge seems fully aware, he’s commented about the cancelled event at Oxford Brookes.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 20/11/2019 10:50

God I hope this goes our way.

MockersFactCheckMN · 20/11/2019 10:48

Here:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1197044326146150400.html