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Good luck Harry The Owl

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 08:45

Court case today.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

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Datun · 20/11/2019 12:01

The judge does indeed get it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/11/2019 12:01

He's right though.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/11/2019 12:00

I'm anticipating the #canceljudge campaign already!

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 12:00

stripey, possibly. Not sure.

ForeverFaff · 20/11/2019 12:00

What's chilling is that the police are using Harry's robustness as a defence! So, either you stop doing what we tell you to stop doing, or we will record it as a hate crime and you can't complain because you can't have been scared of us as you didn't stop doing the 'non-crime' we wanted you to stop doing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/11/2019 11:59

Nice to see the judge seems to get it?

"Judge - does it come to this. Not my job to decide for either side of this debate. but if I use derogatory racist terms, its clear. But If a say a trans woman is a man, there is objective evidence to support that view. That is point @Docstockk is making - YES #FairCopJR"

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 11:59

udge - does it come to this. Not my job to decide for either side of this debate. but if I use derogatory racist terms, its clear. But If a say a trans woman is a man, there is objective evidence to support that view. That is point @Docstockk is making - YES

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 11:59

Judge - does it come to this. Not my job to decide for either side of this debate. but if I use derogatory racist terms, its clear. But If a say a trans woman is a man, there is objective evidence to support that view.
That is point
@Docstockk
is making - YES

Brilliant.

terfsandwich · 20/11/2019 11:57

It was the transman James Morton in Scotland I think who said people should report trans hate incidents to bump statistics up.
As I recall anyway.

Datun · 20/11/2019 11:57

Now comparing transphobia to racism. And saying transphobia is different.

It would be very interesting to get an actual definition of transphobia.

Because not believing that people can change sex is not transphobic. Knowing that there are many transwomen who have a cross dressing fetish is not transphobic. Wanting to retain sex segregation is not transphobic. Etc.

stripeypillowcase · 20/11/2019 11:57

I already posted on another thread.
could a recorded complaint like this be the reason for carol's issue with the esta?

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 11:57

If the judgement goes in Harry's favour, is he likely to be awarded costs? And will the complainant have to pay them?

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Michelleoftheresistance · 20/11/2019 11:56

perceived as such by victim

Oh look. It's that badly thought out, lazy wording of policy thing having the exact unintended consequences that everyone warned them about.

Again.

teawamutu · 20/11/2019 11:54

Kate Scottow could probably describe the stress.

Datun · 20/11/2019 11:54

A cautious judge will weigh up all the arguments, both for and against, in order to close down straightforward avenues for appeal.

Ok got it. Thanks.

AutumnCrow · 20/11/2019 11:53

Very similar to the narrative of rape victims not appearing upset enough.

Datun · 20/11/2019 11:53

They could ask mumsnet HQ how many reports they get. Spurious, meaningless, vexatious reports. They could ask anyone how it works.

Harry Miller is not a one off. It's everywhere.

Michelleoftheresistance · 20/11/2019 11:53

Hm. Does it negatively affect person, their family, their life in general in a distressing and unpleasant way when they've been accused of a hate crime?

I wonder if Caroline Farrow would agree here? Julie Bindel? Other Lesbians On Chairs?

And what it's like to become a target for the online TRA community by having come to their notice? What harm does that do to them? Are the actions of that community proportional and rational and in keeping with law?

nauticant · 20/11/2019 11:53

They're now trying to define 'chilling effect'?

A cautious judge will weigh up all the arguments, both for and against, in order to close down straightforward avenues for appeal.

HipTightOnions · 20/11/2019 11:50

Yes Datun. Just because Harry was brave about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t “chilling”.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/11/2019 11:50

Or to create a particular narrative. I read somewhere that West Yorkshire has seen a massive increase in trans hate crime - I can't help wondering how much of this is incidents rather than actual crimes

I'd bet most of it. Reports of mis gendering and mean women. TRAs have been purposely mass reporting to increase stats.

If hate crimes were happening they would be all over the news.

BovaryX · 20/11/2019 11:50

They are suggesting that it didn’t have a chilling effect because he didn’t stop tweeting? That sort of suggests that the aim was to silence him

teawamutu · 20/11/2019 11:50

I remember Harry's tweets when the evidence came through from the police. It affected him all right.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 11:49

I hope 2BoysandaCairn is reading this and learning.

poorchurchmouse · 20/11/2019 11:48

It’s judicial review so PC Gul won’t be a witness, unfortunately.

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