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Good luck Harry The Owl

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 08:45

Court case today.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

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GrandmaMazur · 20/11/2019 15:50

Why aren't women allowed to complain about hate crimes/incidents? Why is sex not included as a protected characteristic?

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 15:49

If every black, Disabled or gay person reported everything that was discrimination or they disagreed with they'd soon stop recording them.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 15:48

I should be sending it to the police as a hate incident?

you should.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 20/11/2019 15:47

I’ve also been very unproductive today. It’s been great to follow along.

AlunWynsKnee · 20/11/2019 15:46

If this goes the way of the police, presumably every time I'm offended by something said on here about autism. I should be sending it to the police as a hate incident?

GrandmaMazur · 20/11/2019 15:46

Nonny it's impossible!

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/11/2019 15:42

This is nail biting stuff! How am I meant to work? 😱

chilling19 · 20/11/2019 15:42

Datum yes. If this and Maya's case hold up freedom on speech, I will be able to speak again.

Destinysdaughter · 20/11/2019 15:41

Haha Ricky Gervais better watch out! Grin

Datun · 20/11/2019 15:40

Every opinion piece in a newspaper? Every time someone talks about this on Piers Morgan's show?

OvaHere · 20/11/2019 15:38

Gutted I've had to be out most of today. Just going to catch up now.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 20/11/2019 15:36

Can someone post the citation when the law report comes out. I’d like to read the full judgement.

chilling19 · 20/11/2019 15:34

Defence - Now saying that similar opinions in the media (tv, newspaper) could also be recorded. We are getting to the heart of this now. And it is patently ridiculous.

PurpleHoodie · 20/11/2019 15:31

Judge "Just give me an answer"

Ohhhhhh

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 15:30

Judge - why have police been interested in what are just public statements of opinion?
Defence - clear that not all tweets were offensive
Judge - but complainant said ALL were 'transphobic'
Def Counsel - she obviously had a 'strong reaction' to what was said.
Def Counsel - complainant genuinely considers tweet offensive to
her as transgender woman. Genuine offence. She was offended.
Judge - not disputing that. Will take witness statement at face value.

....This person is saying this in court as a defense....

chilling19 · 20/11/2019 15:28

So is the police standard that no one can offend anyone ever? And if you do you will have a mark on your record/DBS? EVEN IF IT IS NOT A CRIME?

nauticant · 20/11/2019 15:28

This does worry me though:

Judge returns to the idea of arguments being predicated on the existence of a victim, when it's more that things were tweeted into the ether and read by ppl at random.

If a case is a nightmare, for example for political reasons, a judge can be tempted to reach the right decision but on very narrow grounds so they can step around the really complicated issues.

TiredofthisBS · 20/11/2019 15:27

Hurt feelings more important than actual facts 😬

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 20/11/2019 15:27

Judge - and no one has the right to freedom from offence.

Omg.. perfect.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 15:27

Judge - so victim is someone who is offended or who 'feels' attacked or subject to hostility because of protected characteristic whether directed at them or not.
Def Counsel - YES

Shock
chilling19 · 20/11/2019 15:25

Judge - so victim is someone who is offended or who 'feels' attacked or subject to hostility because of protected characteristic whether directed at them or not.
Def Counsel YES

artisanparsnips · 20/11/2019 15:25

I LOVE 'No one has the right to freedom from offense'

I am going to turn that into giant lettering and plaster it all over Twitter. Then turn it into an artwork.

VinandVigour · 20/11/2019 15:25

Well it explains a lot about deplorable rates of conviction for rape, sexual assault, not understanding escalation of violence (Sussex Police)
Clearly most of the UK Police Force will only have ‘lived experience’ of being Straight. White. Male.

Whatisthisfuckery · 20/11/2019 15:24

It’s also the logical end result of twitter soundbite culture, where one only has to say the right things and where no thought or nuance is applied.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/11/2019 15:24

Defence now talking about someone sending leaflets to a school or making a film.

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