Good luck Harry The Owl

Anyway. I want to know why Stoat is wearing flares.

Im off to Style n Beauty where the Real hardcore vipers hang out.

From The Guardian reporting.

"The guidance defines a hate incident as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender”.

Eh?!

Nothing about Race, or Sexual Orientation?

Pffft.

Professor "and a man being called "a cock" ?"

Erm, maybe...

I think The Counsel for the Defense is 2BoysandaCairn.

Surely being called a cunt would make a woman feel victimised? If the woman feels that the term is being used in a way connected to her sexual orientation then wouldn't she be able to report it as a hate incident?

and a man being called "a cock" ?

One of the cornerstones of any legal system - for it to deliver justice - is that what is and is not permitted or prohibited is known clearly in advance by all citizens. Thus allowing a decent law abiding person to conduct themselves in such a way so as to not break the law.

Well said. And as you correctly point out, if instead of clarity, there is fear and confusion, that is a failure of the state and its agents. This is the West in the 21st century. It’s just incredible

Anyone who is there - I could actually come to London tomorrow. Is it still going to be worth it? Is there much to come do you know?

All of this is so amazing I want to see some of it live

The conservative woman link defines a hate incident as:

‘any non-crime perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race / religion or perceived religion / sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation / disability or perceived disability / transgender or perceived to be transgender.’

This might be a stupid question but could women use sexual orientation as a basis for hate incidents that appear to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, whatever their sexual orientation?

Surely being called a cunt would make a woman feel victimised? If the woman feels that the term is being used in a way connected to her sexual orientation then wouldn't she be able to report it as a hate incident?

One of the cornerstones of any legal system - for it to deliver justice - is that what is and is not permitted or prohibited is known clearly in advance by all citizens. Thus allowing a decent law abiding person to conduct themselves in such a way so as to not break the law.

If you remove that precept, you have kicked away the chocks that hold the ship of society safely, and begin a slow descent down the slipway until the whole edifice crashes into a sea of tyranny.

There is even a legal precept "dog-laws", after Jeremy Bentham (not someone you'd instinctively refer to in such cases) ...

"It is the judges (as we have seen) that make the common law. Do you know how they make it? Just as a man makes laws for his dog. When your dog does anything you want to break him of, you wait till he does it, and then beat him for it. This is the way you make laws for your dog: and this is the way the judges make law for you and me. They won't tell a man beforehand what it is he should not do - they won't so much as allow of his being told: they lie by till he has done something which they say he should not have done, and then they hang him for it.

Be interesting to see if it's cited tomorrow . Call it my pro-bono contribution.

The lack of definition is deliberate. Its aim is to impose silence

Yep.

What crime are they so frantically trying to prevent?

Disobedience

This lack of clarity, this ambiguity, must be intentional.

I don't know, it probably didn't occur to anyone how open to abuse it could be. I'm sure all this stuff was originally adopted in good faith to tackle racism etc.
I mean who would have thought that one day it could be used by a man with a gender identity to report another man to the police for tweeting a rude (non-)limerick, and the police would take him seriously because they had just been on a course about gender jelly babies and ladybrains?
FFS.

Well done FC!

what if you identify as a puppy?

But are we human?

Or are we dancer?

That was a helluva ride. More tomorrow? I'm waiting for Jack Nicolson to stride in, all cocked eyebrows and arrogance, ready for the showdown where he gives away the whole thing.

Also found this article (although it's from early this morning and so doesn't cover the proceedings from today); www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fighting-back-man-accused-by-the-thought-police-of-trans-hate-crime/

Brilliant reporting / tweeting FC, thank you!

Genetically it's the same as being human

what if you identify as a puppy?

feeling black is the same as being black.

Genetically it's the same as being human ....

Guardian article on the case

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/20/police-transgender-rules-breach-right-to-free-speech-court-told

Is there just one more day of this?

Those tweets were a brilliant read. The judge was asking all the right questions. I'm really hopeful. But I know I'll get nothing done again tomorrow!

Well then I need to report him as well, as despite the fact that I’m demonstrably not black, I feel black, and as has already been stated this week in a court of law, feeling black is the same as being black.

IfNot Yes.

Let's call it as it is.

The transgender ideologists (in the UK certainly) prove through their utterances, and actions, time and time again, to be very racist also. It is not a surprise to many by now.

They call what we would term Ol' school Transsexuals* "Scum" or "Truscum" just to keep the nastiness spread around.

*Females or males who want to present as ultra masculine or feminine 'opposites', but still ackowledge themselves as female or male in reality.

This judge sounds on the ball

Well considering their years of legal education, training, experience and application you mean ?

As we all know, anyone you stop on the street is capable of being a High Court Judge, if only they knew where to buy the gavel.

On a much less frivolous note, it's worth noting recent events elsewhere to try and edge judges out of judgement and work towards a more crowdsourced approach to justice. Expect this judge to become victim to a similar tack

There’s a whole back catalog of recording artists I need to report for a start.

I believe Stevie Wonder once agreed that it was a bummer being blind, 'but at least I'm not black...'

phew! Bravo Faircop.