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Good luck Harry The Owl

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 08:45

Court case today.

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Fallingirl · 20/11/2019 20:00

Can we not all report that we perceived lesbophobic hatred and took offence at the police removing lesbians from pride in, was it Bradford?

And we were surely all offended at the removal of pizza-eating lesbians from the Accenture event.

boatyardblues · 20/11/2019 19:34

DH & I just listened to Harry’s interview this morning on R4. It was very clear. Well done Harry.

AutumnCrow · 20/11/2019 19:33

I'm reading a lot at the moment about 'petty treason' - the killing of a husband by a wife was once such a a treason (but not of course the much more common other way round). It was considered worse than murder, as a subordinate woman threatened the whole social framework of her superiors by her agency.

Women know your place

MockersFactCheckMN · 20/11/2019 19:17

...and when Doc in 1955 expresses incredulity that a movie actor could be President in 1985, it was more prophetic than we knew at the time.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2019 19:16

Authoritarians always shit on women first.

ALWAYS.

Women are always on the front line of authoritarianism.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 20/11/2019 19:14

You mean like when women when sent to lunatic asylums on the say so of their husbands?

Exactly. History is full of those in power abusing that control, yet we are constantly being told that we’re being silly, have nothing to worry about and just to stop talking about it. It’s fantastic to see people stand up to those in power and say, ‘fuck no! We won’t shut up!’

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2019 19:12

Bob Zemeckis is on record that Biff was based largely on Donald Trump.

Didn't know that.

It figures to say the least...

MockersFactCheckMN · 20/11/2019 19:11

Bob Zemeckis is on record that Biff was based largely on Donald Trump.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2019 19:11

Imagine a world where you could be lifted by the British powers simply on the word of an accuser

You mean like when women when sent to lunatic asylums on the say so of their husbands?

Like that?

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 20/11/2019 19:09

Imagine a world where you could be lifted by the British powers simply on the word of an accuser. It would be known that some would use the new laws as an act of revenge against those they had issues with, an angry neighbour, bitter ex, bigoted work mate. But the powers would brush those complaints to the side, as the end goal, civil control, was more important. Think that this is 1984, a paranoid imagination, would never happen in a civilised society like the UK?

If you want to know what the future might hold for us, if we don’t take lessons from the past, then look at internment in NI in 1971. This TRA juggernaut needs stopped, before they have full control of the security services, government, etc.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2019 19:06

There are a number of things that really trouble me about this case aside from the obvious thing that it's a case at all.

It's that the quality of MPs we currently have and are likely to have come 13th Dec from ALL major parties has meant that the future looks pretty bleak.

If Harry wins it doesn't mean a victory in the long term.

What Harry is fighting is ultimately how activists want the law to look. And the spinelessness of MPs in all this mean its a real possibility.

If Harry wins it will probably be under provisions under the EA2010 and Human Rights Act relating to free speech.

At present the Human Rights Act is protected to a degree by our membership of the EU and the ECHR.

But we know that there are those who wish us to abolish the act and leave not just the EU and ECHR. A trade deal with Europe will probably have membership of the ECHR as a pre-condition but if that falls through and we look more towards the US that could be an issue...

Meanwhile those on the other side who want to remain in the EU want to abolish the EA2010. But don't seem to equate how that tallies up with laws protecting free speech either. Instead they seem to think enforcement by intimidation is fair game anyway.

I honestly don't know how anyone is arguing this bullshit either in court or in sincerity as a law maker.

The whole thing is bonkers: only males can be transwomen, by very definition no females can be transwomen. So there can be no transphobia if women are all simply women and there is no distinction between transwomen and women and transwomen cease to exist as a concept if sex is erased. And if transwomen don't exist because sex doesn't exist and isn't important there can be no transphobia either.

It is impossible to define transwomen without sex. If we can't talk about sex because it's meaningless, we also can't talk about transphobia as a concept.

It's all rather like Back To The Future where Marty is about to disappear because his own mother has fallen in love with him inside of his father so Marty ceases to exist : the Grandfather Paradox.

Except this about sex and gender.

We should probably name it the Trans Paradox for all the Scifi fans out there...

The lunacy for me is that MPs are supposed to scruntise for a living to spot inconsistencies like this to prevent the equalivent of a legal paradox where legal terms have replaced reality thus creating a situation where the law no longer has effect for the purpose it was designed because of all these legal fictions.

What is their actual fucking jobs?

They certainly do not convince me they know a single thing about reality, have basic knowledge of existing law nor understand how the heck you go about creating new law which actually works for the purposes desired.

I can't see how we are anything but fucked when we are lead by an army of the parliamentary equivalent of Biff Tannen.

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/11/2019 19:05

I could have a good guess, but I don't want everyone of my posts to get reported

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 18:51

Today has gladdened my heart.

Particular thanks to our own @Spero, who I believe was responsible for the superb twitter feed.

Does anyone know who the transwoman complainant is?

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PurpleHoodie · 20/11/2019 18:33

SH whooooo?

Meh.

Someone with a law degree who is forbidden from practising Law in the UK - and other countries - as a Solicitor or Barrister due to gaining serious criminal convictions that are on file.

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/11/2019 18:33

Seems like the concept of recording non-crime hate incidents as recommended by the Macpherson report was a poorly thought out and shortsighted exercise. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any thorough examination of whether the Macpherson report has actually been implemented properly and if it has actually been able to achieve its aims in terms of reducing or preventing racist incidents.

I guess people wouldn't haven't known then that many years later we would have transgender ideology using such mechanisms to harass and penalise people they disagree with.
Still, it's a massive loophole and one that needs to be addressed asap.

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/11/2019 18:27

Wasn't it tweeted that AH was there doing what AH does best - gloating
I bet he's not gloating now

MadCap · 20/11/2019 18:24

*astounding

MadCap · 20/11/2019 18:24

I just saw our favourite golfing lawyer call HM's case a vanity law suit. The lack of self awareness is astou.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/11/2019 18:23

Tired beat me to.it.

PlayYouLikeAShark · 20/11/2019 18:22

Just dipping in to quickly comment - something I've noticed from the press reports. "Alleged" being used to describe "transphobia/transphobic posts/comment". I may have missed this but I can't remember seeing alleged used as frequently when discussing this topic, in the press, especially by those better known for their 'woke' credentials.

Interesting times...

Endofthedays · 20/11/2019 18:21

Everyone is in possession of a protected characteristic because all ethnicities are covered.

TiredofthisBS · 20/11/2019 18:19

It's on BBC R4 news now.

JacobReesClunge · 20/11/2019 18:18

Also if we can complain on behalf of unspecified others who have a protected trait that we don't, I found yesterday's Rachel Dolezal claims pretty fucking offensive.

chilling19 · 20/11/2019 18:17

Wharton? . The auto correct on MN is astounding at times

chilling19 · 20/11/2019 18:15

I think that Wharton this, and the Maya case has shown is that we have to fight back in court.