Good luck Harry The Owl

Gosh, yes, Mumsnet is going to have to take a close look at the way it's patrolled and in some cases stifled free speech here.

Thanks to the tweeting genius who is live tweeting. There should be some award given out for what you're accomplishing on Twitter!

It is increasingly looking like the counsel for the police is going to have to explain why he enforced a specific political lobby view instead of impartiality before the law. With obvious questions about why the police find themselves acting as the personal enforcement unit of the TRA political lobby/ failure of impartiality and non politicisation.

Because it looks like the judge is rapidly getting there.

Also does the protected characteristic bit mean that anyone with any of those/specific subjects must be treated with politeness and care over and above the standard expectations (hello FWR special moderation rules) and anything named as causing a subjective feeling of having been offended (no objective standards for this, no evidence needed) by those with the protected characteristics represent a punishable offense for which the perpetrator - even if committing the 'non crime' without realising - is at risk of significant suffering for? And is this being equally applied to all protected characteristics or just the most important one?

It's in the Daily Mail!

Do you mean Daily "Judges are the enemies of the people" Mail ?

Or another shit rag ?

I'm inclined to send PC Gul chocolates. Without him turning up on Harry's doorstep and accusing him of wrong-think we wouldn't be having this judicial review. Interesting that Gul didn't keep notes. I'd been under the impression that all police officers wee required to keep notebooks.

When he took the decision to do what he did (thanks to his Stonewall-inspired training) he pulled out a little brick that will see the whole wall gradually collapse.

If this goes the way I think it's likely to go, where will that leave the lawyer who can't be named and their case(s)?

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If we're offering personal opinions that are pure speculation, I think there was collusion and someone went looking for a copper who would be willing to smite the unbelievers.

It's in the Daily Mail!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7710009/amp/Right-offended-does-not-exist-says-High-Court-judge.html?__twitter_impression=true

He's lied about what he said tho.

"just following orders"

Gul should have had a backbone then shouldn't he.

Anyone who is there know who is counsel for humberside police?

I think there are two elements there - a terrible policy, and the fact that certain individuals may choose to apply it with a great deal more enthusiasm than was necessarily required of them.

Cross post with ItsAll who expressed much better than I exactly what I was trying to say!

I hope they're not able to pin it all on poor PC Gul - this is a systemic problem and the guy was doing the job he'd been told to do.

I agree. I'm actually quite pessimistic about the outcome of this after reading today's exchanges, ie directing any change to individual officer's actions rather than overall policy.

I hope PC Gull does get it pinned on him.

I hope he doesn't. If it does, Gul gets chucked under the bus, and nothing changes. If is determined as an institutional failing than things will need to change.

I hope PC Gull does get it pinned on him. He took it upon himself to use his position of power to intimidate an innocent man into acting as he wanted him to. He probably bragged to the 'victim' of the tweets that he 'would sort it' as he had had training
If this is how police behave after woke-training, then heaven help us all.
TWAM, that's never going to change and I can say it as often as I like.

Sussuration, like murmuration, is an onomatopaeic word, which means it sounds like what it means. Cuckoo is another. Clunk is an obvious one.

If that's what the judge means then that would be a. entirely correct and b. far, far beyond anything I'd thought realistically possible for this trial to accomplish.

I have things to do but I don't want to stop watching in case I miss something!

I read it as trans women aren't women rather than the definition used here.

I hope they're not able to pin it all on poor PC Gul - this is a systemic problem and the guy was doing the job he'd been told to do.

I agree. All these issues stem from 'Stonewall Law' and biased training from them and similar orgs.

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Judge - Problem from your point of view is this - we have sought to help you understand how comments that TWAW when placed on social media platform can escalate - we have a duty to prevent you doing that.

You have to deal with 'such comments'. the same type of comment.

Is the Judge saying here that if tweets saying TWAM are viewed as a potential to escalate then the police must view TWAW in the same light? Have I read that correctly?

It really is hilarious to see typical TRA language deployed in such an inappropriate context. It's all hyperbole, manipulation, and appeals to emotion, and it doesn't seem to have occurred to the legal team to think of a backup plan if that failed to impress the judge. It's making them sound like they got their law degree out of a Kinder egg.

"Judge Snark"

I’m taking my lunch break now too! See y’all at 2pm!