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Defence lawyer says that the Gender Recognition Act has placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners

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stumbledin · 18/11/2019 00:39

This is about the situation in Ireland but thought I would post as it is interesting that some law practitioners are looking at the illogical situation in terms of legal rights. (There was an earlier thread about lawyers in Australia? New Zealand? questioning the right of clinic to start children on puberty blockers.)

^The law is challenging for the courts and the IPS since there is, potentially, a safety issue for women inmates housed alongside a male-bodied prisoner.

Currently, a pre-operative, pre-hormone therapy, male-to-female transgender prisoner is being held in Limerick women’s prison.

This is understood to be the first time that an inmate, registered as male at birth, has been housed in a women’s prison in Ireland.

When before the court last July, the prisoner was in possession of a gender recognition certificate.

It is understood that the prisoner was assigned a high level of monitoring after being convicted of ten counts of sexual assault and one count of cruelty against a child.

The prisoner is accompanied by two officers at all times while in the common areas of the detention facility.^

www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

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vaginafetishist · 18/11/2019 06:55

Yes Bicker, spot on.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/11/2019 06:43

Their errors are all rooted in the symbolic connection of penis to power.

This.

teawamutu · 18/11/2019 06:32

Also, it's not as if people didn't TELL them this would happen.

Not proper people, obvs. Just women. Maybe that was the problem.

FFuckSAKE

Goosefoot · 18/11/2019 02:13

I thought the legislation was in order that transgender people could self-declare, so I don't understand why they didn't anticipate people actually doing that. Or is there another bit of legislation being discussed here?

I may be way off, but I am thinking that the direction on prisoners was developed before they began taking this direction with regard to self-declaration.

MyMajesty · 18/11/2019 02:03

Wow, BickerinBrattle, you're likely right there.

BickerinBrattle · 18/11/2019 01:57

They thought that to “live as a woman” instead of “as a man” would be so degrading to any male, none would humiliate himself by taking advantage of the opportunity.

They were so riven with castration anxiety, they imagined that any man who’d even metaphorically renounce his “manhood” surely had to be, internally, that un-endowed and unthreatening creature known as “woman.”

They had no conception of AGP, because why would a man want to fuck himself when he could fuck a woman?

In all the above circumstances, surely no un-manned man could pose a risk to anyone — that was what they thought.

Their errors are all rooted in the symbolic connection of penis to power.

OldCrone · 18/11/2019 01:11

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison,” he said.

I thought the legislation was in order that transgender people could self-declare, so I don't understand why they didn't anticipate people actually doing that. Or is there another bit of legislation being discussed here?

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