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DCC Julie 'Pronouns' Cooke is telling all police forces to update their search policies. Bristol Police want to lead the way!

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SmileOrDie · 17/11/2019 12:32

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Interview with Bristol/Avon officer Helen Riddle. DCC Julie Cooke ( remember her from International Pronouns Day?
twitter.com/dccjuliecooke/status/1184397495423655936?lang=en ) has written to every force in the country telling them to update their search policies.
Riddle (Bristol) says basing search policies on biological sex is outdated and her force will lead the way in doing it by gender instead. Shock

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FWRLurker · 17/11/2019 13:28

Women in the vulnerable position (prisoners, airport search, Gyno exam, breast exam etc) I think obviously ought to have a right not to be intimately searched/examined by a male practitioner however they identify (men should have the choice to use male staff however he identifies).

The reverse might not be true, if for example when hired the staff was told the job could include searches / exams on males or females and was based on gender ID. However I don’t think anyone’s policy anywhere says that. At best what’s being done is to backflip redefine women as “anyone who says they are” and then claiming this has always been the definition. And thus that all women staff who object are bigots who aren’t doing their job.

TheShoesa · 17/11/2019 13:25

Biological sex is outdated?

FFS, how do they say these things with a straight face?

SmileOrDie · 17/11/2019 12:59

Beginning is about updating their systems to 'record identities'. No mention of sex.
From about 4:45 talking about searching suspects... all focused on the rights of trans staff under the EqA(?!) not rights of suspects or female officers, says that it's a problem that Police And Criminal Evidence Act is based on bio sex not gender.

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Uncompromisingwoman · 17/11/2019 12:43

So women must be intimately searched by a male police officer on any day that he decides to identify as a woman?
The court case following that one will be interesting

thirdfiddle · 17/11/2019 12:39

Because that won't be exploited by male suspects wanting to intimidate female officers at all will it?

I know, they could do it by sex AND gender. So transfeminine prisoners could be searched by a male officer with a female name tag on. Doesn't matter their actual gender identity as they won't be having enough conversation to find out their internal essence. Though I suppose if some prisoners might be bigoted about officers not presenting in line with their stated gender identity, the male officer could wear a wig to make them feel more at ease.

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