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DCC Julie 'Pronouns' Cooke is telling all police forces to update their search policies. Bristol Police want to lead the way!

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SmileOrDie · 17/11/2019 12:32

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Interview with Bristol/Avon officer Helen Riddle. DCC Julie Cooke ( remember her from International Pronouns Day?
twitter.com/dccjuliecooke/status/1184397495423655936?lang=en ) has written to every force in the country telling them to update their search policies.
Riddle (Bristol) says basing search policies on biological sex is outdated and her force will lead the way in doing it by gender instead. Shock

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SmileOrDie · 08/12/2019 11:20

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As recommended by Sgt Helen Riddle of ASPolice LBGT - naive young female saying we shouldn't shame anyone with a vomit fetish, older male saying that 'all trans people' have to work out whether they are trans or whether they have a fetish for women's clothes by going on hormone blockers.

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Good to know the police priorities.

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SmileOrDie · 04/12/2019 20:16

Yes artisanparsnips

Bitter, bitter laugh/sob/groan.

Needmoresleep that wouldn'ts surprise me at all. Just this week I encountered a classic Bristol type - hasn't vaccinated her child, cocaine at weekends...

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Needmoresleep · 04/12/2019 10:51

Worth remembering that Bristol is the city in Europe with the highest levels of cocaine. The widespread use of drugs is causing far more human tragedy (lives destroyed, country lines, linked crimes and affected families) than misgendering ever will.

Priorities?

artisanparsnips · 04/12/2019 10:09

but just add this bollocks and it all becomes meaningless nonsense.

I know it's not funny, but what they have done is literally to add the bollocks to it. And that's the problem in one.

SmileOrDie · 04/12/2019 07:52

Oh dear GOD we now have this from Riddel (she runs the ASLGBT account) - 'misandryny'. Aaaaaaaaarghhh!

mobile.twitter.com/ASPoliceLGBT/status/1201914297636524037

The Bristol, Avon and Somerset police have a 'gender' hate crime strand. This is their way of trying to square the women and trans circle I suppose - we're all targeted for that thing we have in common whether we like it or not, 'gender'.

What we get of course is 'women can't have anything for themselves, party eleventy billion'.

Let's be generous, she obviously means misandry. And of course, women kill two men a week, police run festive campaigns aimed at men telling them how they can curtail their movements to avoid being raped by women, women constantly harrass men in the street, girls rape hundreds of boys each year in schools, so you can see why they need to record it.

Actually let's not be generous, I'm fucking fed up with attempts to 'educate' from people who are just thick. If you're going to push an ideology you don't really understand onto the public from a position of power, AT LEAST GET THE FUCKING WORDS RIGHT.

Recording misogynist incidents and misogyny-motivated crimes could have been something useful for women and girls - but just add this bollocks and it all becomes meaningless nonsense.

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SmileOrDie · 30/11/2019 13:55

From this article: medium.com/@elsaegret/meet-the-people-training-uk-police-on-trans-issues-191e46b18246

Another West Country fan of hate speech against women is local radio DJ Cheryl Morgan, who trains Avon and Somerset Police. Morgan characterised women who disagree with transgender ideology as ‘an infestation’. In 2015 UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein denounced radio DJ Katie Hopkins for using similar dehumanising language. Morgan works jointly with Avon and Somerset Police and SARI, an anti-hate crime organisation. Do they both endorse this language? Avon and Somerset Police allowed masked and intimidating misogynist protestors to physically block attendees at a meeting held by We Need To Talk in Bristol — in striking contrast to the swift actions of their City of London colleagues when removing Dr Julia Long from a corporate event.
Morgan is the director of the Diversity Trust, which provides ‘ equality, diversity, inclusion and accessibility training and consultancy.’ Diversity Trust associate Aaron Barnes (30 years old) writes about attending a session for trans teenagers: ‘ I have been “Dad” to countless young trans people; I have provided or assisted access to first [breast] binders, packers [plastic prosthetic penises for girls to put in their underwear — available for age 4 and up], picking up and taking first hormone injections, writing coming out speeches to parents and schools, I have had young people on the brink of ending their lives sit in my kitchen and drink cups of tea and hold on for just a couple more minutes until they could walk out and get themselves home safely. I know what it’s like to be looked up to.’

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/11/2019 13:11

Does she not have actual crimes to be looking into?

SmileOrDie · 30/11/2019 13:09

Bloody hell, now she's saying ppl should call 101 to discuss transgenderism with her! Confused

mobile.twitter.com/ASPoliceLGBT/status/1200469708270710784

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GetbusywiththeFizzee · 21/11/2019 10:16

This is simply a clamouring for woke points and a pat on the back , there has been no engaging of the brain faculties when deciding this abusive policy which is state sanctioned sexual assault of women.
I find it really difficult to compute how many women are happy to fuck other women over, carry on up the greasy pole ladies, hope you’re happy when you get to the top and look back on a career crapping over women’s rights .

ScrimshawTheSecond · 21/11/2019 09:56

I'm wearing a skirt over trousers today, just in case.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/11/2019 08:36

Are they going to do what a lot of genderists do and assume that any woman who's insufficiently feminine must not consider herself to be a woman? Are we all going to have to stop wearing trousers and keep our hair beyond shoulder length just in case we're arrested and the officer in charge decides we must not be "cis" and therefore can be searched by a man?

SmileOrDie · 21/11/2019 08:19

Now they're retweeting Gender GP - that's Helen Webberley isn't it? Nice to see the police promoting a convictred criminal.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 19/11/2019 20:31

Siam, I don't know if that's true. As far as I understand, if I appear to be female then I will be searched by an officer that identifies as female.

SmileOrDie · 19/11/2019 19:30

Reading all this, and all the developments this week - meanwhile a random man just calmly called me a cunt in the street on my way home. I feel like this is the beginning bit of the film where all the dark clouds are gathering...if Maya and Harry lose we are SO fucked. This is all so, so dark.

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Siameasy · 19/11/2019 18:31

Well which officer you get is entirely based upon your appearance
Boy George, looking more feminine than me, would be searched by a female ✅
And presumably when the cross dresser changes into the tracksuit given to him by police he will look like the man he is and be searched by a male officer then 🤷‍♀️

KatvonHostileExtremist · 19/11/2019 17:25

Well, that made for a chilling listen.

What is wrong with these people?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 19/11/2019 15:40

So - let me see if I have this right: they make 'every effort' to let a woman be searched by a woman - that's going by 'gender', though. So if I asked for a woman and PC Clarissa-on-Tuesdays presents themself as my searcher, tough luck.

However, a cross-dresser presenting 'en femme' will be given the chance to go off and get changed (I suppose this won't negate the whole point of searching them at all) while carefully making sure that nobody lets the cat out of the bag in order not to upset/inconvencence them.

Doesn't seem a teeny smidge like all the care is taken to make sure men are comfortable, and never mind the women?

Siameasy · 19/11/2019 11:58

I like to pick articles by PN apart because they are usually bullshit
The case stated from 1998 was them not employing a MTF transsexual in the first place due to possible issues with searching and the ruling was that the transsexual should’ve been treated as female. Human rights law was used. This pre-dates the Equality Act and the GRA. Today being transsexual would not be a barrier to employment. However transgender and transsexual are not the same thing.

I did a bit of digging and not many forces had much to say about trans officers and searching but The Met were asked and said “same gender”.
And here is something from NCCP - Jury is out basically.

DCC Julie 'Pronouns' Cooke is telling all police forces to update their search policies. Bristol Police want to lead the way!
DCC Julie 'Pronouns' Cooke is telling all police forces to update their search policies. Bristol Police want to lead the way!
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/11/2019 10:55

It's like they saw one of the South Park episodes with PC Principle and went "hold my beer".

ScrimshawTheSecond · 19/11/2019 10:52

'Inclusion' has to be enforced these days.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/11/2019 10:46

I'm kind of boggling at the idea that there might be people who find jackboots and gasmasks reassuring. Apparently the public agreed judging by the responses.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/11/2019 10:41

It’s a threat surely

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/11/2019 10:25

Like, what kind of person is going to think "ah, heavily armed people in gas masks and jackboots, how inclusion-y"?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/11/2019 10:25

How exactly is that photo from the Leicestershire Police meant to illustrate the text? Cause it just looks like a threat.

Siameasy · 19/11/2019 10:21

Fortunately kinks are not (yet!) protected characteristics. I wonder at what point being yourself at work would involve wearing an animal costume😂