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Sally Hines - criticised for tweets

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Campervan69 · 16/11/2019 20:42

<a class="break-all" href="https://thetab.com/uk/sheffield/2019/11/16/sheffield-university-professor-under-fire-for-asking-if-transphobic-lesbians-can-be-shaggable-41060/amp#click=t.co/IWyRM6ireP" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">thetab.com/uk/sheffield/2019/11/16/sheffield-university-professor-under-fire-for-asking-if-transphobic-lesbians-can-be-shaggable-41060/amp#click=t.co/IWyRM6ireP

About time someone took her to task over her awful behaviour.

"Hines denies the allegations. Since The Tab Sheffield approached her for comment she has deleted at least 18 tweets and changed her account from public to private."

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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2019 19:06

Can you imagine if Prince Andrew came out with a response like that?

Na. Suggesting that the story of a homophobic lecturer at a university who has significant ideological influence is not an non story.

It's legitimate.

Sally just doesn't like being called a lesbophobe and homophobe because her goal is to trans away the gay. Like the Iranians. That's a legitimate story. I've seen that on the TV any everything.

FloralBunting · 17/11/2019 19:03

Ah, she's doubled back to the old "I was joking. You people don't understand my humour. I'm so leftfield."

ErrolTheDragon · 17/11/2019 19:00

Weak response. The Tab has coverage of (most of not all, I just had a really quick look) the issues she mentioned.Hmm

theflushedzebra · 17/11/2019 18:58

Oh dear - Sally do stop making a fool of yourself. A student journalist can write on any topic they consider newsworthy - and I consider Sally's deranged tweeting very newsworthy considering her position.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2019 18:57

No it's not.

What do you do if you've got no other argument or defence?

nauticant · 17/11/2019 18:52

Sally's back:

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1196047291171459073

... to attack the student journalist who wrote the article describing her strange behaviour.

theflushedzebra · 17/11/2019 18:38

Sally's tweets come across as unhinged and truly unpleasant - really she should grasp the accusation that she was drunk-tweeting with both hands - because the alternative is that she tweeted all that homophobic stuff sober. Which is far worse.

She's currently having big hugs with Grace Petrie on twitter - because the nasty feminists are pointing out that her use of the misogynistic term "terf" is, in fact, misogynistic!

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2019 18:29

Sheffield's media department had a reputation for being one of the best in the country.

It's reassuring that it might still be the case.

FadingStar · 17/11/2019 18:24

Her problems run very deep I think. She seems to be so immersed in toxic self loathing that she can't control how she acts and responds to other women.

Coyoacan · 17/11/2019 17:51

her witless ramblings, which I do not personally feel are due to alcohol as opposed to being a not very bright or pleasant human being

I don't know if she was drunk or not, but all alcohol does is remove inhibitions, it doesn't make you say things you don't believe. Sheffield University now has, on the one hand, the most witless and nasty Chair of Sociology and, on the other, a good student newspaper. Do students still review professors on line? It would be interesting to see how she is received. At least she wasn't teaching in Leeds.

RoyalCorgi · 17/11/2019 14:19

Is Hines the one who was moaning about how none of her students were showing up to lectures?

No - that was Alison Phipps. Cut from the same cloth.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/11/2019 12:19

Straight with an undercut in a color not found in nature.

vaginafetishist · 17/11/2019 12:15

'Queer woman'- I always assumed that means straight.

Needmoresleep · 17/11/2019 12:06

Great article. Great that men are speaking up.

Now lets try to guess what would have happened if a female student had written the same article...

BeMoreMagdalen · 17/11/2019 11:34

If she upheld the rights of other lesbians to be and say they are same-sex oriented, then an interesting discussion might be had on whether L and G people call themselves homosexual, but the fact is we do, and nothing about that tweet was a genuine discussion starter - she believes lesbians should be open to cock, or at least should shut up about not being so, so it was an entirely homophobic thing to tweet, whoever she herself is oriented towards.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/11/2019 11:16

That's an unusually well written article for The Tab. Must be embarrassing to be a professor and have the student blog that's normally all "Best Places To Get A Post Piss-Up Bacon And Eggs" hand your arse to you.

EverardDigby · 17/11/2019 11:10

Tbh if she is a lesbian I would read the texts slightly differently than if she were straight, and I think she has a point that “homosexual” is a word that definitely was out of favour because of the DSM link. But she still sounds unhinged and deeply unprofessional.

Melroses · 17/11/2019 10:55

If the messages were taken out of context, why delete the messages so people can’t read them in context?

I read the tweets when they were in context and, TBH, they were just as daft then, if not dafter.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 17/11/2019 10:49

Is Hines the one who was moaning about how none of her students were showing up to lectures?

That is the reason her employers might reasonably question her employment status, not her witless ramblings, which I do not personally feel are due to alcohol as opposed to being a not very bright or pleasant human being.

FannyCann · 17/11/2019 10:41

DDs best friend was editor of the Tab at her uni. She's gender critical but would never have printed anything controversial like this. It's very heartening to see an article like this in the Tab.

As for Sally's bio saying she teaches "reproduction" - I can't imagine in what way she is qualified for that. Confused

Floisme · 17/11/2019 10:40

Thanks OldCrone. And thank you Ewan Somerville.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2019 10:26

In a series which includes 'water is wet' we see that Sally Hines is homophobic.

Why is it that when someone tweets blatantly homophobic tweets they are able to claim they were drunk and the woke warriors go 'fair enough' but when women tweet things like rapists shouldn't be allowed in women's prisons because they pose a very obvious risk they are labelled as transphobic and hounded and face pile ons to lose their jobs?

Just what is it that motivates Rainbow Warriors and their love of the lgbT?

RoyalCorgi · 17/11/2019 10:23

Until I saw this, I hadn't realised that Hines had moved from Leeds to Sheffield.

But it is very encouraging to see such a well-written article in a student newspaper that shows an understanding of the issues. Somerville will go far.

Needmoresleep · 17/11/2019 10:22

My small sample knowledge of students is that this generation is:

  1. Kind and accepting. Any hint of homophobia or racism is called out quickly
  1. Weary of the woke and special. Students have some real issues, but the NUS seem to be more interested in promoting certain special interests, or their own political careers, than looking at the bigger picture. Equally they are aware/wary of the 'untouchables', those students who seem to game the system by being special and threatening complaint if they dont get what they want, whilst others, who may also have genuine needs but dont assert them as much, are left to get on with it.
  1. Concerned at an increasingly visible misogyny or far right wing presence. (A student house in DDs street last year had a great big England flag hung up all year with no mistaking of the political views of residents.) Problems with drink spiking etc are close to ignored. Yet at the same time there is a level of no platforming of mainstream views, whether Tory or feminist. You can't dismantle other peoples arguments if you dont allow debate. (DD caused serious shock by suggesting, on the spur of the moment, she would vote Boris rather than Magic Grandad, and indeed a couple of people have stopped speaking to her. It was a windup - though she was never a subscriber to the Oh Jeremy Corbyn, however the strength of the reaction has left her a bit Hmm
Manderleyagain · 17/11/2019 10:21

"gender-critical feminists, some of whom are lesbians, who argue women’s sex-based rights should be upheld alongside trans rights" - to see this in a Tab article has given me hope!"
Yes that's a pretty good fair quick explanation of gc position. I didn't know anything about the tab, but seeing here it's a student paper that's surprising. Though maybe there'll be letters and hand wringing in the next edition.

The uni statement is pretty good. Agree it wasn't rigorous discussion!