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Prince Andrew 'let the side down'

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Gingerkittykat · 16/11/2019 03:48

Here's a clip from Prince Andrew's interview where he regrets remaining friends with Epstein after his conviction because he let the royal family down. Not a single mention of Epstein's victims and how they were let down.

He also does not recall meeting Virginia Giuffre, despite the photos saying otherwise.

I can't believe he did any interview in the first place, but surely he is digging an even bigger hole for himself here.

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Gingerkittykat · 23/11/2019 03:18

I'm actually pleased with the public response to this scandal. It wouldn't be that long ago that this would be completely ignored and he would be able to do what he wanted without question.

The last thing I saw was Inverness campaigning to have his title Earl (or whatever) of there removed.

I do think the queen is totally wrong in appearing publicly with him twice after major revelations (church a few weeks ago and horseriding yesterday) since it shows she is standing by her boy but people are even questioning her choices too.

If only she would take his HRH title away, but that will never happen.

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Goosefoot · 19/11/2019 19:55

He was always pretty creepy. But I am not sure why he did the interview, he really didn't come off well.

merrymouse · 19/11/2019 19:03

And the Queen is not innocent in all of this. Andrew spent the 2000's doing dodgy deals with dictators, and the Queen's response was to give him more titles.

merrymouse · 19/11/2019 19:01

Andrew is not on the Civil List and not funded directly by the UK taxpayer.

However, it's pretty clear that he and Sarah Ferguson have been selling their royal status for years.

He didn't go to see Epstein to say goodbye, he went to see Epstein to get money to pay his ex-wife's debts. Whether or not Andrew was involved in abuse himself, I don't think it's possible for him to deny that he sold the cover of royal respectability to a known child abuser in return for cash.

It's also difficult for him to argue that he was penniless and had no other choice, because 4 years later he was somehow able to buy a £13 million ski chalet.

Skinnychip · 19/11/2019 18:52

And the absolute refusal to condemn any of Epsteins behaviour. Did he regret any of it? No because done good things came out of those trips and it was good networking.FFS.

Skinnychip · 19/11/2019 18:51

I too thought he chose his words carefully, and the I've no recollection of it indicates that it might be true. Why would you not just categorically say no if you 100% knew it wasn't true?
And how is taking your daughter to a pizza party at "4 or 5pm" proof that you weren't at a night club. I dont suppose anyone is in tramps at 4pm! What's to say he didn't wait till the girls were in bed thinking dad was at home and then go out?
It's like saying I couldn't have been in the cinema at 8pm because my work mates remember that I was at work from 9-5... .

lilypoppet · 19/11/2019 18:23

Slimmed down monarchy; it's the only way forward. Just Charles and direct descendents. The rest can get jobs and stop Lording it over us.

MockersthefeMANist · 19/11/2019 14:53

Andrew is not on the Civil List and not funded directly by the UK taxpayer. He receives funding from the Queen's "Private" sources of income which are in practice public property protected by layers and layers and layers of smoke and mirrors.

The word is Charles is after having a cull, perhaps not literally, but at any rate a reduction in the number of HRHs.

Jux · 19/11/2019 13:17

I don't think we do pay for him, do we?

MsSafina · 18/11/2019 12:12

Once HM goes we should have a referendum on whether we want to keep maintaining the ever growing Windsor family from the public purse.

2BthatUnnoticed · 18/11/2019 03:56

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman” (- Bill Clinton).

= I did not have PIV sex with her (“only” a blow job).

“I have no recollection of ever meeting that lady” (- Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor).

= I cannot categorically deny that I met and had sex with this lady in case more evidence of my doing so comes to light.

MockersthefeMANist · 17/11/2019 10:32

Oh. Dear.

He appears to be suggesting that the person in the photo is a lookey-likey, 'because I never wear that kind of shirt.'

And he knows the flat but never went upstairs. When shown the photo: 'Oh yes, that's upstairs...'

Scriptwriters for "The Crown" taking eager notes.

fuzzymoon · 17/11/2019 10:20

He also didn't say that he regretted it personally which I found interesting.

Did he think the interview was about him as a royal and about his job as a royal.

Does he not regret his actions ?

Does he think his feelings are separate and of no consequence to the public .

That staying with a convicted paedophille was the honourable thing to do as he was of a certain business status (I guess)

There was and still is an elite that are perceived to be untouchable. That there is almost a parallel universe of rules and etiquette.

He lives in a stick up for your chums no matter what world that is no longer there. (Look at the MP that lied in court to his friend re rape case it didn't end well for him )

He is incredibly ignorant and arrogant if that's the case.

He can't show any remorse to the victims as he has not shown regret for his actions.

He may believe that as the girl was of legal age that he did nothing wrong.

He is in such a messed up reality it's incredible.

AnotherNightWatering · 17/11/2019 10:07

I didn't watch the interview, but I'm confused, as I don't really see that going for a pizza in Woking is mutually exclusive with going out later to a nightclub in London.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/11/2019 10:00

Just saw the Woking Pizzaland stuff. That's his attempt at a defense, is it? That he's so spoiled an disconnected from reality that taking his child out for pizza would be a bizarre event that he'd remember forever?

Bluerussian · 16/11/2019 20:41

He certainly did let the side down but I expect many members of his family have let the side down at different times, we just don't always hear about it!

katseyes7 · 16/11/2019 20:28

Apologies, l missed out the quote marks on the end of that first line on my previous post. lt should have said "To quote Mandy Rice Davies, "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

katseyes7 · 16/11/2019 20:26

To quote Mandy Rice Davies, "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he

Never mind about it "being unbecoming for a member of the Royal Family to stay with a paedophile."
Anyone with a shred of decency wouldn't stay with a known paedophile. Doing that means you countenance it.
l'd love to hear what a body language expert thinks of that interview.

MockersthefeMANist · 16/11/2019 20:22

...unless she has an address book with some interesting names in it/

MockersthefeMANist · 16/11/2019 20:20

Ghilasne Maxwell, Epstein's (adult) girlfriend and pimp to the rich and rather-not-be-famous.

She did a plea bargain in the USA, but I see no reason why we can't pull her in for trafficking under-18s.

zanahoria · 16/11/2019 19:56

I would not trust her, dodgy as her dad.

atankofskunks · 16/11/2019 19:46

The woman in the background on that photo is Robert Maxwell's daughter. Is that right? What has she said about the photo?

zanahoria · 16/11/2019 17:17

" Are royals really above the law? It’s outrageous if it’s true"

arguably the Queen is but the rest of the gang have no special status

and he. certainly is not above US law

If as he so repugnantly put it "he let the side down" I hope Emily asks him what sanction he should bear.

Even if she does not. grill him I think he will be given enough rope to hang himself. He looks thoroughly incapable of answering any question without further incriminating himself. I was cringing just watching ths clips. The man is a buffoon and completely out of his depth. It beggars believs he has agreed to this. Is it sheer stupidity on his part or have Royal advisors pushed him into it to hang him out to dry?

Qcng · 16/11/2019 16:35

There are probably more illegitimate royal children than we are aware of.

merrymouse · 16/11/2019 16:18

I kick myself for on a daily basis because it was not something that was becoming of a member of the royal family, and we try and uphold the highest standards and practices and I let the side down, simple as that

He is on a different planet. He appears to believe he is in trouble because he didn't meet the 'highest standards of the royal family', as though his actions would be acceptable if only he weren't a royal.